(December 15, 2015 at 11:56 am)SofaKingHigh Wrote:

(December 15, 2015 at 10:31 am)Little Rik Wrote: You don't seem to pay attention to what is written.
Look here Sofa.

SofaKingHigh Wrote:
Uh huh, NDE's anybody?
Your huge knowledge of the etymology of English...the list doesn't end there.
The only thing you've demolished is your own credibility little prik.

And then you write that ...............Once again, answering nothing and ignoring any argument thrown your way...........

Now you tell me what there is to answer in such a comment full o'crap?  

Deflection again, you asserted that you had "demolished" all atheist arguments.  You see this thing called "context" comes into it when quoting, so when you see me replying "NDE's?"  (Important to note that question mark there)   It is obvious that I was questioning that assertion.

So, you window licking fiend, why does the worlds largest study into NDE's, one of your strongest arguments in this thread, not find a single shred of evidence for the claims you make?

In fact i already reply to your question in details but unfortunately you didn't get it.
You can organize a big big study with the best of the best brains and still get nowhere.
Why?
Because to understand how a particular system works you got to understand the one who put the system in place.
These guys act as the system would run on the same lines as any other system in the material-physical-mental way but real NDEs go well behind the material-physical-mental way.
You got to enter the outside dimension and to do this you got to fully understand who is behind this OUTSIDE.
Did the brainy researchers did this?
Of course not, that is why they got nowhere.  

(December 16, 2015 at 5:51 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(December 15, 2015 at 11:56 am)SofaKingHigh Wrote: Deflection again, you asserted that you had "demolished" all atheist arguments.  You see this thing called "context" comes into it when quoting, so when you see me replying "NDE's?"  (Important to note that question mark there)   It is obvious that I was questioning that assertion.

So, you window licking fiend, why does the worlds largest study into NDE's, one of your strongest arguments in this thread, not find a single shred of evidence for the claims you make?

In fact i already reply to your question in details but unfortunately you didn't get it.
You can organize a big big study with the best of the best brains and still get nowhere.
Why?
Because to understand how a particular system works you got to understand the one who put the system in place.
These guys act as the system would run on the same lines as any other system in the material-physical-mental way but real NDEs go well behind the material-physical-mental way.
You got to enter the outside dimension and to do this you got to fully understand who is behind this OUTSIDE.
Did the brainy researchers did this?
Of course not, that is why they got nowhere.  

Ah yes, this is the point where you're basically claiming to know more about this than a Dr who has spent his entire professional carrer studying it?

And you questioned the Narcissist accusations?

My god man, but you really are a fucking idiot.

(December 16, 2015 at 5:53 am)SofaKingHigh Wrote:

(December 16, 2015 at 5:51 am)Little Rik Wrote: In fact i already reply to your question in details but unfortunately you didn't get it.
You can organize a big big study with the best of the best brains and still get nowhere.
Why?
Because to understand how a particular system works you got to understand the one who put the system in place.
These guys act as the system would run on the same lines as any other system in the material-physical-mental way but real NDEs go well behind the material-physical-mental way.
You got to enter the outside dimension and to do this you got to fully understand who is behind this OUTSIDE.
Did the brainy researchers did this?
Of course not, that is why they got nowhere.  

Ah yes, this is the point where you're basically claiming to know more about this than a Dr who has spent his entire professional carrer studying it?
And you questioned the Narcissist accusations?
My god man, but you really are a fucking idiot.

Cretin.  
I never said that i know more than these researchers as far as intellectual knowledge is concern.
They studied years and years to get those degrees while i did not so it is obvious that as far
as intellectual knowledge they know a lot more than me.
Here Sofa to enter the outside dimension all intellectual knowledge is not of any use.
It just doesn't mean anything.
When you love you don't need intelligence.
Even a person with no intelligence of whatsoever can love and you may find super intelligent person that can not love so love has really nothing to do with intelligence or knowledge.
The outside dimension is based on love so only those who are able to love can enter and understand how the system works.      

(December 16, 2015 at 6:08 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(December 16, 2015 at 5:53 am)SofaKingHigh Wrote: Ah yes, this is the point where you're basically claiming to know more about this than a Dr who has spent his entire professional carrer studying it?
And you questioned the Narcissist accusations?
My god man, but you really are a fucking idiot.

Cretin.  
I never said that i know more than these researchers as far as intellectual knowledge is concern.
They studied years and years to get those degrees while i did not so it is obvious that as far
as intellectual knowledge they know a lot more than me.
Here Sofa to enter the outside dimension all intellectual knowledge is not of any use.
It just doesn't mean anything.
When you love you don't need intelligence.
Even a person with no intelligence of whatsoever can love and you may find super intelligent person that can not love so love has really nothing to do with intelligence or knowledge.
The outside dimension is based on love so only those who are able to love can enter and understand how the system works.      

Just words that mean nothing, you talk of an "outside dimension," but this is precisely what that study was trying to find.  

When you love you don't need intelligence?  What kind of utter nonsense is this?  My dog had more love in her body than any other being I've come across, but I'm damn sure she wouldn't have been able to organise a worldwide study trying to find the very thing you were looking for.

Little Prik, the bit you don't seem to grasp is that Dr Parnia went into the study with the belief that there was something to find, he actually believed similarly to you.  Yet he found nothing.

Then, because his results didn't find tally with your beliefs, you dismissed the study because he and his very large team didn't know how the "system works."  the system they have been studying for their entire professional careers.

You, who has watched a man climb a tree in Fiji and have been to a few yoga classes.

Narcissist doesn't quite cover it, deluded narcissist would be a better fit.

(December 16, 2015 at 6:08 am)Little Rik Wrote: When you love you don't need intelligence.
Even a person with no intelligence of whatsoever can love and you may find super intelligent person that can not love so love has really

Have you ever known love from a corpse?

Word of advice here: when your mother dies, bury her - she can't love you from that point on because her intelligence is gone.

(December 16, 2015 at 6:41 am)SofaKingHigh Wrote:

(December 16, 2015 at 6:08 am)Little Rik Wrote: Cretin.  
I never said that i know more than these researchers as far as intellectual knowledge is concern.
They studied years and years to get those degrees while i did not so it is obvious that as far
as intellectual knowledge they know a lot more than me.
Here Sofa to enter the outside dimension all intellectual knowledge is not of any use.
It just doesn't mean anything.
When you love you don't need intelligence.
Even a person with no intelligence of whatsoever can love and you may find super intelligent person that can not love so love has really nothing to do with intelligence or knowledge.
The outside dimension is based on love so only those who are able to love can enter and understand how the system works.      

Just words that mean nothing, you talk of an "outside dimension," but this is precisely what that study was trying to find.  

When you love you don't need intelligence?  What kind of utter nonsense is this?  My dog had more love in her body than any other being I've come across, but I'm damn sure she wouldn't have been able to organise a worldwide study trying to find the very thing you were looking for.  

Little Prik, the bit you don't seem to grasp is that Dr Parnia went into the study with the belief that there was something to find, he actually believed similarly to you.  Yet he found nothing.

Then, because his results didn't find tally with your beliefs, you dismissed the study because he and his very large team didn't know how the "system works."  the system they have been studying for their entire professional careers.

You, who has watched a man climb a tree in Fiji and have been to a few yoga classes.

Narcissist doesn't quite cover it, deluded narcissist would be a better fit.

Considering that you haven't got a clue about what Dr Parnia did let me refresh your dormant memory.
Dr Parnia and his associate Peter Fenwick are of the idea that that brain and mind are separate or at least can separate when the body die and therefore they also believe that the mind is there when the body die.
This i also believe although rather than say the mind i would say the consciousness .
Parnia has also said he is uncertain the brain produces the mind.
This i believe is the case as well.
So far so good.
They did a lot of experiment to see whether there can be any evidence that the mind (my consciousness) is still active and alive once the bloke die.
These experiments did not succeed as we know.
No wonder why.
He and his associate forgot that life after death is 100% outside this physical reality.
You can study as much as you like but until you understand that to know what is outside this physical reality you need a different type of science you will never be able to enter that dimension.
What we know about Parnia is that he is an expert in medicine and that is where all end.
As far as intuitional science which would allow him to understand how the system works outside this physical reality none, zero, nil.  

Intuitional science can't even tell you what's inside a green box, so I wouldn't go trusting its ability to work out the eternal verities.

When I google "intuitional science" I get 1) yoga texts from the present day and 2) writings and texts from 1880-1920.

So, yep, this stuff is about 95-135 years behind the times

How would you even go about performing intuitional science? Or hasn't Rik thought that far ahead yet?

I tried testing it before, a couple of years ago. We're still waiting for the results