(December 17, 2015 at 9:16 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(December 17, 2015 at 8:31 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: Wooow...


Yes. Yes it is. Men rape men, and sometimes women rape men.


Come on, CL. Now you're trolling.

I was referring to women raping men, vaginally. No, I did not know that could happen because I assumed men can't get aroused/erect in a situation where they're being forced against their will.

Vaginal rape isn't the only kind of rape.


For one thing, yes, rape victims of both sexes sometimes experience a full sexual response during what happens to them, including arousal and even orgasm. That doesn't mean they enjoy it, and that doesn't mean it isn't rape. Those things are physiological responses to some degree, and some people do experience them when being raped.


For another, anal rape is a thing, and yes, women can forcibly sodomize men against their will, and yes, that is rape even if it's done with a foreign object and not a part of the rapist's body.

(December 17, 2015 at 9:50 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: Vaginal rape isn't the only kind of rape.

Yes, I know.

Like I keep saying though, it was the kind I was referring to.

(December 17, 2015 at 9:41 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(December 17, 2015 at 9:16 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I was referring to women raping men, vaginally. No, I did not know that could happen because I assumed men can't get aroused/erect in a situation where they're being forced against their will.

Yes they can, police and doctors and social advocates interview victims of molestation all the time, and this has been known for decades, you can be forced against your will and still get an erection. They know this because the victims felt guilty for getting a boner thinking they might be gay. Again sexual preference and getting aroused has nothing to do with rape. Rape is strictly about power over another human being. Your body's biology in reacting to that is not understood widely by laypeople. An erection in situations of rape being the victim only means your body is reacting, it does not mean you are enjoying it.

I have been made aware.

Seriously guys, this issue was resolved 4 pages ago:

(December 16, 2015 at 7:52 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(December 16, 2015 at 7:29 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: How is this possible, though? I assume a guy about to be raped probably won't get an erection. 

You'd be surprised how treacherous the penis can be. Erections aren't always a sexual thing (as I know firsthand). Anxiety pressures do play a big part - giggety - but it's primarily a physical thing. I've not been raped myself, though, so I leave it to others to google cases of men raped by women (there is a page of nineteen men sharing their experiences, but I can't link to it as it is rather explicit).

(December 17, 2015 at 9:33 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(December 17, 2015 at 9:19 am)Brian37 Wrote: Some morons think rape is strictly about a man getting a boner and enjoying the vaginal penetration. Rape outside their delusional world is whenever a woman or man forces the other into any type of penetration, it doesn't take a penis or a boner to do that. A woman could take an object and stick it in a mans mouth, or in his anus and it would be the same as a man forcing his penis into her vagina. Rape has nothing to do with the sex act itself, it has everything to do with power over another human without their consent. And also what these jerks don't understand because they know nothing about biology is that it is possible to be fearful and not give consent while having an erection. This OP is what idiots think when they get their pop psychology out of a bronze age comic book.

First of all, thanks for calling me a moron and a jerk. You're awesome. Really.

Second, like I said, I know it's still called rape when it's anal penetration with an object, but when i said "I didn't know men could get raped" I was referring to the specific context where a man would get raped by a woman, vaginally. I've said this multiple times now.

Third, I'm not sure why people are getting their panties in a twist and getting so pissed off at me for not having known that. I'm sorry I guess? For... not knowing..., I guess? 

Yes because that is far worse than the actual act of rape. Instead of you getting ticked at me for my word choice, how about you consider it cold water on your face. Yes it was harsh, but now you know. My mother was raped, both my biological sisters have been raped, and I was manipulated as a teen into sex with a bully. 

FYI when I use the term moron, and jerks, that is aimed at religion in general, and when you look at those three books the roots of the ignorance are glaring. The bible and Koran and Jewish OT as written literature, depict women/girls and children as property. The damage to especially girls and women is not punished any worse than a fine or forced marriage. Now of course the civil west frowns on it, but only because our species natural empathy and better technology and science gave us a better understanding of what a victim really was. 

Back when those books were written, the mortality rate was much higher, and the average lifespan was much shorter, combine that with human ignorance as far as comparing it to modern knowledge, it was understandable that humans took the tactic of reproducing as quickly as possible. And men also were presumed to be more important than women back then not understanding that they were not the only contributors to life. Back then girls/women were thought of like fields and male sperm like seeds to plant in a field.

Now again, the ignorance was UNDERSTANDABLE back then, but we know better now. 

Victims of rape are not explained by old books, victims of rape are explained by modern biology and psychology. Religious people, even the empathetic left simply fail to understand that the roots of those bad ideas are still words in those books that still cause humans to cling to bad ideas. Now you can chose to focus on my mere words, or you can use this to learn. I think the more we understand life as it is instead of clinging to old books, the more we can reduce things like rape, or even religious bigotry or justifications for religious violence.

A very simple exercise you can do is to pick up your Bible, don't skip over any verse, and when you get to a verse where God condones or commits an act of violence, ask yourself if it would be acceptable today? Now I can tell you why you don't do that, and it is your evolutionary empathy not the book itself. 

I do love my species capability of compassion and empathy, even liberal theists, but I don't nor will ever value ignorance, even from liberal theists. The book that you use to justify empathy is still the same book others use to justify being jerks.

Late to the party, as always...
To answer the OP, no.
I can't even imagine that I would enjoy such an act. Even the old righty-handy seems able to produce far better results than rape.
Murder is right out.

Coincidentally, this video popped up on my facebook, and it seems slightly appropriate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvyuY9lCGUM

(December 17, 2015 at 12:21 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(December 16, 2015 at 11:12 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: Without consent, why do you think arousal matters at all?

There are actually men who do get aroused from having things shoved up their ass. But if you want to do that to anyone, while you have them bound and bent over a chair, make sure you have their consent first! Also, use plenty of lube.

I don't think it matters. Rape is rape, arousal or not. All I was saying was that I'm surprised to learn men can get aroused during rape. The strawmen are strong in this thread.

Hey, CL, I'm not judging - if you want to play butt-stuffing games with a guy who's into that and he gives his consent, then that's fine. Just make sure he's ok with that before you tie him down so that he can really enjoy being helpless in your hands, and make sure you communicate while having your fun so that you don't go too hard and hurt him. Some ladies like to do this with each other, or with men too.

There's really nothing wrong which anyone does in sex, so long as consent is mutual and risks are intelligently minimized.

I am constantly worried that the only thing preventing Christians from carrying out bestial acts of horror is their delusional belief in an impossible creature.

(December 17, 2015 at 4:33 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote:

(December 17, 2015 at 12:21 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I don't think it matters. Rape is rape, arousal or not. All I was saying was that I'm surprised to learn men can get aroused during rape. The strawmen are strong in this thread.

Hey, CL, I'm not judging - if you want to play butt-stuffing games with a guy who's into that and he gives his consent, then that's fine. Just make sure he's ok with that before you tie him down so that he can really enjoy being helpless in your hands, and make sure you communicate while having your fun so that you don't go too hard and hurt him. Some ladies like to do this with each other, or with men too.

There's really nothing wrong which anyone does in sex, so long as consent is mutual and risks are intelligently minimized.

Exactly, every type of sex is risky especially without a condom. But yea, if you have the consent and you know the risks then anything you don't like that others do is merely a matter of taste. The only two things that matter are consent and knowing the risks and how to minimize those risks.

(December 17, 2015 at 4:36 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: I am constantly worried that the only thing preventing Christians from carrying out bestial acts of horror is their delusional belief in an impossible creature.

Why would Christians be any different than other people, though? It's not like being Christian magically turns someone's brain into that of a psychopath's. We still feel empathy towards people. Being a psychopath has nothing to do with being either Christian or Atheist.