(January 18, 2011 at 10:07 am)dqualk Wrote: I can make baseless accusations too

You wouldn't be a christian if you couldn't.

(January 18, 2011 at 10:07 am)dqualk Wrote: creepy elephant person.

Creepy, may be. But I assure you I am not an elephant person.

(January 18, 2011 at 10:07 am)dqualk Wrote: I can make baseless accusations too creepy elephant person.

Yeah, we know.

(January 18, 2011 at 1:28 pm)Chuck Wrote:

(January 18, 2011 at 10:07 am)dqualk Wrote: I can make baseless accusations too

You wouldn't be a christian if you couldn't.

(January 18, 2011 at 10:07 am)dqualk Wrote: creepy elephant person.

Creepy, may be. But I assure you I am not an elephant person.

Awww...

I like Ganesha!!! Really dqualk you are getting petty and proving that you have lost the argument....still and again.

Elephant people are the basis of the xtian church!! Or at least the whole religiosity came out of the Indus Valley about 5000 years ago...(sorry spent all afternoon with Sumeria and Mesopotamia)
At least they have sex on a regular basis!!
MONEY! RICHES! etc!!

What arguement have I lost. I agree I am being insulted very successfully, this is not the same thing as losing an arguement. And the elephant picture is pretty funny lol

First off, stop deluding yourself into thinking you have an "argument." All you can do is parrot back vatican talking points and they have no credibility at all.

Wow min what an arguement you have made. Perhaps you could demonstrate to me which part has no credibility. Or you could do your usual and spout nonsense about.

(January 19, 2011 at 1:44 pm)dqualk Wrote: Wow min what an arguement you have made. Perhaps you could demonstrate to me which part has no credibility. Or you could do your usual and spout nonsense about.

Really dqualk...RUN AWAY NOW!!

You have NOT put forward any argument in favour of your 'skydaddy' that wasn't put there by the catatonic church.

You have not refuted 'in intellectual debate' any of the points raised by any member of this forum (make no mistake...they HAVE been patient with you and YOUR childish nonsense)

YOU SCREAM 'insult' and abuse...yet you are quite free with the insults your self claiming 'self defense'; your arguments have NO validity...try looking through wikipedia on the topic of Sumerian Mythology....and find the roots of your catholicism. They start in India...Hindu in fact... and spread from there....

Footnote....
You have LOST the "argument" if you HAVE to resort to derogitory name calling, slander and personal insults. This is why YOU FAIL grasshopper!!

Yes dark elf I am the insulting one... sure thing.

Quote: You have NOT put forward any argument in favour of your 'skydaddy' that wasn't put there by the catatonic church.

So if I use the arugments of another I am dumb or wrong? The fact is any arguement anyone of us use has been said before.

Its uncomfortable for you to accept the validity of my beliefs. Its uncomfortable for me to accept the validity of a Muslims beliefs but I do. I do not believe a Muslim is right, likewise I do not believe an atheist is right, but I accept the validity of their beliefs. The fact is one must draw the line somewhere, as you what beliefs are properly basic (a-priori) and which are not. I sincerely believe that belief in God can be properly basic, especially as a rational explanation for intrinsic value, and existance in general. Many of the greatest minds of all time have come to the conclusion, like Leibniz, Decarts, Aristotle, Aquinas, et al.

I understand that great minds have come to the decision that atheism is reality, like Bertrand Russel, and David Hume. I just recepectfully disagree with their assumptions and rationale.

Listen dark elf, the fact is min said the Christianity was started by Constantine and his gang of thugs. I'm sure he as joking, but its still a stupid thing to say, as it is false. I merely pointed this out.

Also, I have put forth no arguement as to why Theism is true. As that cannot be done. I merely stated facts, like our belief is valid within itself, as it begins with properly basic assumptions which are suprarational. I merely argue that Theism is valid, and it is valid because we all believe in intrinsic value, right and wrong, and our own existance, and these are not insane beliefs to hold. If anything claiming that child rape is not really evil, that its just an illusion, that its only evil relative to you and your group is insane. But it is valid, taking the assumption that there is only the material realm.

So I have respect for atheists and muslims et al. Because they make sense on some level, I just believe ultimately Christianity makes the most sense. But I understand that it is a difficult subject and I do not expect everyone to come to the same conclusion as I have because it is difficult. A lot of my problem on this forum has been insulting those who insult me first, which just causes everyone to come to the aid of their friend, and frankly I don't blame them, I come to the aid of my friends too. I probably should have just "turned the other cheek" becuase "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." So I am going to try and stop insulting in general, even if I am provoked, for the sake of rational conversation.

I have argued things like, the Church is evil relative to other institutions because I believe that this can be argued.

(January 18, 2011 at 10:07 am)dqualk Wrote: I can make baseless accusations too creepy elephant person.

You should ask what the "creepy elephant" thing is. There's more evidence about its existence than there is for Jesus.

Actually, I think it's kinda cute, and I wish Chuck would post more so I have every chance to see it without stalking his profile.

Also, I've yet to see quotes from this vast store of knowledge you supposedly have. Lay a few cards on the table, yeah? You make assumptions about the rest of us the way a 13 year old child does. "I'm better than you!" Quit telling people to grow up when you phrase statements about yourself in the most immature manner.

I'm not talking to a group when I say grow up. I'm talking to particular people who insist on insulting. These same people show no mercy when someone makes a little mistake, or says something in passing, yet they get away with saying things like Christianity was created by Constantine and his thugs, and they get "kudos" for it. haha All I'm saying is end the hyporcisy. Either way I've already stated who created Christianity, and it was more sophisticated then "Constantine and his thugs." If someone objects to my view they can say why and I will reply accordingly so on and so forth.