(December 23, 2015 at 1:50 pm)Mohammed - Muslim and Proud Wrote: Now, clearly theists and atheist can agree on one thing: if anything at all exists, there must be something preceding it that always existed. How did this eternally existing reality come to be? The answer is that it never came to be. It always existed. Take your pick: God or universe. Something always existed

Agreed. I pick universe.

(December 23, 2015 at 3:03 pm)robvalue Wrote: So this was fun.

Welcome to the forum

I guess? haha

Thanks 

Are you going to answer the rebuttals?

(December 23, 2015 at 3:06 pm)Evie Wrote:

(December 23, 2015 at 1:50 pm)Mohammed - Muslim and Proud Wrote: Now, clearly theists and atheist can agree on one thing: if anything at all exists, there must be something preceding it that always existed. How did this eternally existing reality come to be? The answer is that it never came to be. It always existed. Take your pick: God or universe. Something always existed

Agreed. I pick universe.

Well it depends on the evidence you have, you cannot state universe just because you " agree " with it. What is your evidence for an infinite universe?

You can have a god, I couldn't care less. It's claiming to know all about it while also claiming it's outside anything we can ever experience that is the problem.

But you can have the Allah God too. I'm not fussed. Makes no odds to me. I almost forgot that I'm god! Slipped my mind while I was on holiday. I made all those videos about it.

(December 23, 2015 at 3:09 pm)robvalue Wrote: You can have a god, I couldn't care less. It's claiming to know all about it while also claiming it's outside anything we can ever experience that is the problem.

But you can have the Allah God too. I'm not fussed. Makes no odds to me. I almost forgot that I'm god! Slipped my mind while I was on holiday. I made all those videos about it.

Well, it is not something I can have, the concept of God is axiomatic. God is there, the evidence is overwhelming. It just depends on the evidence you are exposed to.

(December 23, 2015 at 3:08 pm)Mohammed - Muslim and Proud Wrote:

(December 23, 2015 at 3:06 pm)Evie Wrote: Agreed. I pick universe.

Well it depends on the evidence you have, you cannot state universe just because you " agree " with it. What is your evidence for an infinite universe?

What's your evidence of your version of whatever God it is you are a slave to?

Are you playing us by being so demonstrably hypocritical?

(December 23, 2015 at 3:11 pm)Mohammed - Muslim and Proud Wrote:

(December 23, 2015 at 3:09 pm)robvalue Wrote: You can have a god, I couldn't care less. It's claiming to know all about it while also claiming it's outside anything we can ever experience that is the problem.

But you can have the Allah God too. I'm not fussed. Makes no odds to me. I almost forgot that I'm god! Slipped my mind while I was on holiday. I made all those videos about it.

Well, it is not something I can have, the concept of God is axiomatic. God is there, the evidence is overwhelming. It just depends on the evidence you are exposed to.

Fallacy of proof by assertion.

Ignored. I'm beginning to think you're not genuine in your reasons for being here.

Mohamed, please provide proof of god. Provide direct evidence. Not word salad, empty arguments or your sad attempt at scientific explanation. You can't argue a god into existence.

Until that occurs god(s) will remain a fantasy created by man. That you believe in the fantasy as reality is delusion. Fantasy delusion. That you, of all people, believe that you can turn fantasy into reality is a grandeur delusion.

You are welcome to your belief. Don't make the foolish attempt to get me to believe also.

(December 23, 2015 at 3:12 pm)Pandæmonium Wrote:

(December 23, 2015 at 3:08 pm)Mohammed - Muslim and Proud Wrote: Well it depends on the evidence you have, you cannot state universe just because you " agree " with it. What is your evidence for an infinite universe?

What's your evidence of your version of whatever God it is you are a slave to?

Are you playing us by being so demonstrably hypocritical?

The evidence for a God is the Holy Quran. When read in the full context, you will understand what I mean.