(January 5, 2016 at 3:18 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: In every age, for every people there is a Guide. Somewhere on earth, is a movement centered around that guide in each age, but always, everyone on earth, has access to the guide by the a vessel called the heart. You don't need to know which book is revealed by God or know his name (The Guide I mean) to connect to him. All you got to do is believe in God and turn to God sincerely wanting to be guided and not following your desires, committed to the truth and God's pleasure, and he will guide to the one who will show you the way and be your companion in the journey. It is then you will be taught the true religion the true way the true way to worship God and connect to Him and be revealed good acts to imitate inwardly in spirit.

No, in every age there WERE guides, and only science has transcended. While all other "guides" worked to create social pecking orders, none of them produced unity outside the sect or umbrella organization.

Buddha is a "guide" to all Buddhists, but yet there are different sects. Christians see Jesus as a "guide" but yet there are different sects. Muslims see Allah and Mohammed as their "guide" but yet there are different sects. Yet computers exist in all the world to sell these old myths on.

Most humans have a religion, yes, but popularity does not equal unity. If popularity of belief was universal there would be one religion and no competing sect within that religion.

(January 5, 2016 at 8:47 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(January 5, 2016 at 3:18 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: In every age, for every people there is a Guide. Somewhere on earth, is a movement centered around that guide in each age, but always, everyone on earth, has access to the guide by the a vessel called the heart. You don't need to know which book is revealed by God or know his name (The Guide I mean) to connect to him. All you got to do is believe in God and turn to God sincerely wanting to be guided and not following your desires, committed to the truth and God's pleasure, and he will guide to the one who will show you the way and be your companion in the journey. It is then you will be taught the true religion the true way the true way to worship God and connect to Him and be revealed good acts to imitate inwardly in spirit.

No, in every age there WERE guides, and only science has transcended. While all other "guides" worked to create social pecking orders, none of them produced unity outside the sect or umbrella organization.

Buddha is a "guide" to all Buddhists, but yet there are different sects. Christians see Jesus as a "guide" but yet there are different sects. Muslims see Allah and Mohammed as their "guide" but yet there are different sects. Yet computers exist in all the world to sell these old myths on.

Most humans have a religion, yes, but popularity does not equal unity. If popularity of belief was universal there would be one religion and no competing sect within that religion.

Why hasn't science produce a Guide to lead us the straight path if science transcends it? Or is that there is a straight path but no one in this age can walk it? Or has some walked it but none of them are going to guide us upon it? Or is it that there is no straight path because morality is just a concept in our heads?

(January 5, 2016 at 9:20 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(January 5, 2016 at 8:47 pm)Brian37 Wrote: No, in every age there WERE guides, and only science has transcended. While all other "guides" worked to create social pecking orders, none of them produced unity outside the sect or umbrella organization.

Buddha is a "guide" to all Buddhists, but yet there are different sects. Christians see Jesus as a "guide" but yet there are different sects. Muslims see Allah and Mohammed as their "guide" but yet there are different sects. Yet computers exist in all the world to sell these old myths on.

Most humans have a religion, yes, but popularity does not equal unity. If popularity of belief was universal there would be one religion and no competing sect within that religion.

Why hasn't science produce a Guide to lead us the straight path if science transcends it? Or is that there is a straight path but no one in this age can walk it? Or has some walked it but none of them are going to guide us upon it? Or is it that there is no straight path because morality is just a concept in our heads?

Science is science it's always changing and always giving answers religion unlike science is static and never changing. We can prove religion to be wrong with but will it change no. We can prove bad science to be wrong will it change yes it does change. The only reason why people still hold a religion there is a variety of reasons but the majority of it is fear. You don't need a guide in the real world if you have questions science and logic will answer it.

(January 5, 2016 at 9:20 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(January 5, 2016 at 8:47 pm)Brian37 Wrote: No, in every age there WERE guides, and only science has transcended. While all other "guides" worked to create social pecking orders, none of them produced unity outside the sect or umbrella organization.

Buddha is a "guide" to all Buddhists, but yet there are different sects. Christians see Jesus as a "guide" but yet there are different sects. Muslims see Allah and Mohammed as their "guide" but yet there are different sects. Yet computers exist in all the world to sell these old myths on.

Most humans have a religion, yes, but popularity does not equal unity. If popularity of belief was universal there would be one religion and no competing sect within that religion.

Why hasn't science produce a Guide to lead us the straight path if science transcends it? Or is that there is a straight path but no one in this age can walk it? Or has some walked it but none of them are going to guide us upon it? Or is it that there is no straight path because morality is just a concept in our heads?

Thought 1) a straight path to what?  Thought 2) why would the path need to be straight?   Thought 3) why do we need a guide?  Guides are human.  Guides expect us to believe and obey like good little sheeple - guides destroy rational thought in favor of "faith". Thought 4) science does not travel a straight path.  It takes data and tests it, rejecting what is flawed or outmoded, always improving.  Science is constantly changing.  My experience of religion is that religions fear change.

(January 5, 2016 at 10:03 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:

(January 5, 2016 at 9:20 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Why hasn't science produce a Guide to lead us the straight path if science transcends it? Or is that there is a straight path but no one in this age can walk it? Or has some walked it but none of them are going to guide us upon it? Or is it that there is no straight path because morality is just a concept in our heads?

Thought 1) a straight path to what?  Thought 2) why would the path need to be straight?   Thought 3) why do we need a guide?  Guides are human.  Guides expect us to believe and obey like good little sheeple - guides destroy rational thought in favor of "faith". Thought 4) science does not travel a straight path.  It takes data and tests it, rejecting what is flawed or outmoded, always improving.  Science is constantly changing.  My experience of religion is that religions fear change.

No way.
There is a way.
That leads to a higher way.
Cause it's all in our heads.
It's all in our heads.

No way.
There is a way.
To know the basis of the way.
Cause it's all in our heads.
It's all in our heads.

No way.
There is a way.
To be guided on the way.
Cause it's all in our heads.
It's all in our heads.

No way.
There is a way.
To know the Guide of the way.
Cause it's all in our heads.
It's all in our heads.

No way
There is a way
To know we are a way
Cause it's all in our heads
It's all in our heads.

Do I got it right?

(January 5, 2016 at 2:20 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:

(January 5, 2016 at 2:04 pm)*Deidre* Wrote: I'm not really a Bible scholar, so there are passages that to me, don't fit with Jesus as a loving man who seemed peaceful and not forceful at all in how he approached people. Let me ask you though...why do you have any opinion of Jesus, if you don't believe he existed? When I left Christianity, and eventually identified as an atheist, I was indifferent to the idea of Jesus. I thought maybe he existed at some point in history, but didn't think he was an asshole, etc. Or are you just saying how he is characterized in the Bible, you feel he is depicted as an asshole? Just wondering ....because many Christians believe that atheists 'hate' God, etc...and my thought to that is why would anyone hate something he/she doesn't believe? It's more on an indifference for most atheists, as I once felt anyways.

I was raised Pentecostal.  I had to quote newly-memorized Bible verses before dinner every night.  

Really? Did your parents expected this of you, do you mean? 

I was raised Catholic, and my parents were strict during my childhood with religion, but in a different way. Coming back to faith now, as best as I can explain it, it's different...it's my own. I'm not carrying around the indoctrinated type of faith I had during my childhood. Leaving faith and identifying as an atheist for a few years, also helped me think for myself. The problem with being raised in religion, is a child never feels comfortable questioning the world around him/her...and sadly, that mindset follow him/her into adulthood, too.

@ kmthang, you've received advice mostly from the atheist here and some have given good advice and others I believe the majority have shown little care or compassion for your situation. Few Christians have responded because few Christians are here and I've been away with a project. I don't think the Christians have given much as advice but more to toot their horn or argue with each other.
I want to do it differently, first you got advice from an atheist that you changed and this is a fact, you are not the same person you were. So why do you expect her to love you when you are not the same person, would you love here if she changed in a way that was very disagreeable to you, maybe for a short time but at some time you would find that you can't love someone who is different thinking as you. She is different thinking than you are and at some point you will change the way you feel about her, I'm telling you this from many years of experience and knowing  how Christians believe. If you truly love her then why would you ask her to love someone who has changed, someone she feels she can't love, are you truly showing your love for people by expecting her to change just because you did. You believe that she should love unconditionally, yet you aren't showing unconditional love towards her, if you were, you would not ask her to change what she believes, you would unconditionally accept how she feels and move on.
I went through something akin to your experience and fought to know avail, looking back I wasted her time and mine. If she is making a stand for her beliefs honor them, if she has possibly found someone else let her go she has made up her mind, so either way you are more than likely out and Christ or someone else is in, I'm hoping it's Christ. You said she was not finished in exploring her belief, let her, don't try to change her just because you've changed, she has the same right you exercised and that's to find out what she needs in her life. With all this said if you two do completely separate you will find someone else, I did, others have and you will as long as you believe in love. Last thing I'm going to say, go back and examine what you've done to change your belief and see if you were correct in your change.

GC

(January 5, 2016 at 3:18 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: In every age, for every people there is a Guide. Somewhere on earth, is a movement centered around that guide in each age, but always, everyone on earth, has access to the guide by the a vessel called the heart. You don't need to know which book is revealed by God or know his name (The Guide I mean) to connect to him. All you got to do is believe in God and turn to God sincerely wanting to be guided and not following your desires, committed to the truth and God's pleasure, and he will guide to the one who will show you the way and be your companion in the journey. It is then you will be taught the true religion the true way the true way to worship God and connect to Him and be revealed good acts to imitate inwardly in spirit.

@ Dirch, careful in how you interpret scripture and apply it to God. You sited John 3:16 and it starts with God's unconditional love for His creation... "for God so loved the world that He gave his one and only Son..., God wasn't speaking about those who would accept Christ at the beginning of this verse, He was speaking to all of mankind. There's a difference in God allowing people to chose their finial destination and God's love for mankind, "that whosoever believe in Him will not perish but have everlasting life. This is a verse given to let people know what will eventually happen in their lives when they make the decision to accept or reject Christ and a verse that let's everyone know that God loves them. What actually could make you believe that God needs a condition to love people when God is love, how is it possible for God who is love, not love all people. His love is unconditional, His salvation is not, we do have to make the choice.

GC

(January 5, 2016 at 11:52 pm)*Deidre* Wrote:

(January 5, 2016 at 2:20 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: I was raised Pentecostal.  I had to quote newly-memorized Bible verses before dinner every night.  

Really? Did your parents expected this of you, do you mean? 

I was raised Catholic, and my parents were strict during my childhood with religion, but in a different way. Coming back to faith now, as best as I can explain it, it's different...it's my own. I'm not carrying around the indoctrinated type of faith I had during my childhood. Leaving faith and identifying as an atheist for a few years, also helped me think for myself. The problem with being raised in religion, is a child never feels comfortable questioning the world around him/her...and sadly, that mindset follow him/her into adulthood, too.

One of the primary objectives of all religions is to teach complete belief and obedience without exception.  IOWs, thinking for yourself is bad.  Believe what the big wig tells you and obey.  Do not think about it, just do it.  That's also the base of all governments around the world since two people got together.