(February 3, 2011 at 8:15 am)thesummerqueen Wrote:

(February 3, 2011 at 3:03 am)padraic Wrote: I honestly didn't notice that in the photo you posted. What''s your BMI?

Sure, I'm absolutely going to post that in public now that DBP said a reasonably healthy looking woman had chubby toddler legs.

As for photos - you follow the rule that cats instinctively know: when fat, arrange yourself in slim poses.

If I get any shorter as I age I'm going to have an extreme issue reaching for coffee cups and therefore might commit myself to an early grave.

Platform shoes.

(February 3, 2011 at 6:10 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: 5'3" and [irresistibly sexy].

IFTFY (I Fixed That For You).

muhtesm Wrote:I do not care what the law says a 16-year-old is not an adult. He's a still boy. Even his brain is not developed enough.

I care about the what the law says in some cases. Mostly because the people who enforce the laws have a lot more power than I do... and I might get shot/stabbed/jailed if I don't follow their laws ^_^

He is not a boy, he is a teenager. Men do not develop straight out of boyhood. Men are not mushrooms. They do not pop out of the snow like daisies, even if we do breed like rabbits. Between boyhood and manhood is the transition period of being a teenager.

I do not believe most people who cross an 'age line designating adulthood' be an adult. Many people are still developing into adulthood at that time, and some might never completely make it there (look at Dotard and Padriac ).

being teenager and being boy are not mutually exclusive. And of course someone do not become an adult overnight. From whereI stand 16 is far from manhood.

Quote:I do not believe most people who cross an 'age line designating adulthood' be an adult.

It's a necessary condition, not a sufficient condition.

(February 4, 2011 at 12:38 am)Ryft Wrote: IFTFY (I Fixed That For You).

I'd like to just point out that it is this sort of casual conversation that ends up making girls neurotic: men assure them "Oh, no, we LIKE the extra padding! You're beautiful!" and then off-handedly drop what amounts to a bomb - that woman (whoever the woman whose body that is) is far more able to wear a bikini than I, yet she's said to have chubby legs. What amounts to chubby then? "I (the generalized I) must be positively fat. If she is being critiqued in such a way...how are the rest of us being critiqued?"

I would kill to be able to wear a bikini like that woman. And to be quite honest, I think the chubby thighs comment was profoundly unfair. There's nothing wrong with her legs. Unless it was merely because it was Sarah Palin, in which case we might have just seen proof that personality affects hotness factors.

Back to the topic at hand - when I was bat mitzvahed at 12, I was told that meant I was (traditionally) able to participate in the adult aspects of Judaism and must learn how to be a woman. If you want to know the truth, the feeling that you are ready to begin accepting adult roles really didn't hit until around 18, when I wanted nothing more than to be out of school, earning money and taking care of myself. It certainly wasn't at 12. Back when lifespans were shorter and lives were necessarily harder by circumstance, maybe you could have made a case for 16...but we can afford to coddle our children longer (and that's not necessarily a bad thing).

You can argue the legality of it all you want - the question wasn't "can I?", it was "do you think I'm too young?" (or rather 'to young')

There could be things in Josh's past that made him grow up emotionally or mentally a little bit faster than his peers - there certainly was in mine. However, those things still didn't make me capable of handling a relationship with a 37 year old man at that age. I understand I am not Josh....but I remember what it was like at that age being more mature than most of the kids around me. I remember the feelings and thoughts my friends told me. None of us were able to handle that.

And if you say you want a real relationship with someone, you have to be able to find common ground for discussion - eventually you have to talk, right? That's what would be implied by "I love him and he loves me": something a little more than just the mattress rumba. I find it extremely unlikely that such an age difference would have a hell of a lot to discuss in a 'meeting of the minds' sort of fashion. I do find it incredibly suspect that the man would think a 16 year old would be a suitable partner - if that is what he's looking for and not just a fuck-toy.

[shrugs] This is coming from someone who has to mentally be able to connect up with whoever she's fucking, so maybe I'm biased about the whole thing. But he asked opinions and we gave them. If he still goes and does it and everything is hunky dory and he doesn't feel the worse for the experience... huzzah! If he does and gets emotionally and mentally and physically screwed...can't say we didn't warn him. He can take it or leave it.

Muhtesem Wrote:being teenager and being boy are not mutually exclusive. And of course someone do not become an adult overnight. From whereI stand 16 is far from manhood.

Then being a man and being a teenager are not mutually exclusive either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1swk0fcII...re=related

From where I stand, adulthood is not a measure of age/development, but of fulfilling the necessary criteria of firstly responsibility and secondly competence. Perhaps there are other criteria, but they are far less important than these first two when it comes to designating a human as an 'adult'.

(February 4, 2011 at 6:18 am)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: .....some might never completely make it there (look at Dotard and Padriac ).

Oh funny.....


I believe me and ol' Pad 'made it' a long time ago. We have just crossed that line where we are decending back into childhood.

Where does that leave Min?

Summer Wrote:I'd like to just point out that it is this sort of casual conversation that ends up making girls neurotic: men assure them "Oh, no, we LIKE the extra padding! You're beautiful!" and then off-handedly drop what amounts to a bomb - that woman (whoever the woman whose body that is) is far more able to wear a bikini than I, yet she's said to have chubby legs. What amounts to chubby then? "I (the generalized I) must be positively fat. If she is being critiqued in such a way...how are the rest of us being critiqued?"

Chubby is not an amount, it is a proportion. Some people look dreadful with any amount of fat... others look skeletal and deprived of health. Some people look both. It would be a lie to say that personality plays no role in critiquing attractiveness. For me, this role is probably larger than it is for most (I find attractive the equivalent of the human walrus given a personality i really like).

That woman's body would look many times more attractive if the face were to conform to it better. There is no body you can stick sarah palin's face on, and have me find it attractive. Not one. Or at least, I have never seen it, and believe it does not exist.

Quote:I would kill to be able to wear a bikini like that woman. And to be quite honest, I think the chubby thighs comment was profoundly unfair. There's nothing wrong with her legs. Unless it was merely because it was Sarah Palin, in which case we might have just seen proof that personality affects hotness factors.

Granted... I certainly wouldn't be one to deny that I am a face-lover >_>

Quote:Back to the topic at hand - when I was bat mitzvahed at 12, I was told that meant I was (traditionally) able to participate in the adult aspects of Judaism and must learn how to be a woman. If you want to know the truth, the feeling that you are ready to begin accepting adult roles really didn't hit until around 18, when I wanted nothing more than to be out of school, earning money and taking care of myself. It certainly wasn't at 12. Back when lifespans were shorter and lives were necessarily harder by circumstance, maybe you could have made a case for 16...but we can afford to coddle our children longer (and that's not necessarily a bad thing).

Having grown up in an extremely competitive family, I think coddling should be a crime when applied to competent individuals. I achieve a reasonable level of competence in a given task many times more quickly than the vast majority of my peers, and it disturbs me to, say... pick up bowling for the first time in a night and by my third shot at it be topping individuals who've had a fair amount of experience with the task. With coddling to protect from competition and challenge, talent finds difficulty developing, and adaptability slows to the pace at which the coddled individual experiences competition/challenge. One cannot learn from their failure if they do not fail... cannot learn to repeat individual success if no such is experienced... cannot understand self-capability if the limits of this are never established or challenged. I can't think of a form in which coddling is a good thing until you redesign 'coddling' into 'ensuring the individual doesn't become horribly wounded/dead while still allowing it to learn'.

I'd probably be a horrid mother, thank goodness I cannot become pregnant ^_^

Summer Wrote:You can argue the legality of it all you want - the question wasn't "can I?", it was "do you think I'm too young?" (or rather 'to young')

There could be things in Josh's past that made him grow up emotionally or mentally a little bit faster than his peers - there certainly was in mine. However, those things still didn't make me capable of handling a relationship with a 37 year old man at that age. I understand I am not Josh....but I remember what it was like at that age being more mature than most of the kids around me. I remember the feelings and thoughts my friends told me. None of us were able to handle that.

And if you say you want a real relationship with someone, you have to be able to find common ground for discussion - eventually you have to talk, right? That's what would be implied by "I love him and he loves me": something a little more than just the mattress rumba. I find it extremely unlikely that such an age difference would have a hell of a lot to discuss in a 'meeting of the minds' sort of fashion. I do find it incredibly suspect that the man would think a 16 year old would be a suitable partner - if that is what he's looking for and not just a fuck-toy.

[shrugs] This is coming from someone who has to mentally be able to connect up with whoever she's fucking, so maybe I'm biased about the whole thing. But he asked opinions and we gave them. If he still goes and does it and everything is hunky dory and he doesn't feel the worse for the experience... huzzah! If he does and gets emotionally and mentally and physically screwed...can't say we didn't warn him. He can take it or leave it.

+1, with you 100% here

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Dotard Wrote:Oh funny.....


I believe me and ol' Pad 'made it' a long time ago. We have just crossed that line where we are decending back into childhood.

Granted...

You've plumb made it back to childhood! ^_^

(February 4, 2011 at 9:24 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: Where does that leave Min?

He's still an adult Maybe not for long... but for now ^_^

(February 4, 2011 at 8:24 am)thesummerqueen Wrote:

...that woman (whoever the woman whose body that is) is far more able to wear a bikini than I, yet she's said to have chubby legs. What amounts to chubby then? "I (the generalized I) must be positively fat. If she is being critiqued in such a way...how are the rest of us being critiqued?"

Fat-asses. Cows. Human floatation devices.

Quote:I would kill to be able to wear a bikini like that woman.

No you wouldn't! If you are willing to "kill" then you would be willing to put down the fork, push away from the table. Leave the doughnuts alone.

Quote:And to be quite honest, I think the chubby thighs comment was profoundly unfair.

I agree. they go beyond chubby. They're FAT.

Quote:There's nothing wrong with her legs.

Prob. not. I'm sure they function as intended. They're still fat though.

Quote:Unless it was merely because it was Sarah Palin, in which case we might have just seen proof that personality affects hotness factors.

Depends. Hot as in "want a relationship" hot? Or "I wanna bone that" hot? Yes, personality effects, to the former, no to the latter.

Quote:Back when lifespans were shorter and lives were necessarily harder by circumstance, maybe you could have made a case for 16..

Maybe we can make the case? The case has already been made. Legally reconized at 16 in many places, younger in a few other countries.

Quote:You can argue the legality of it all you want - the question wasn't "can I?", it was "do you think I'm too young?" (or rather 'to young')

Am I to young? Legally no you are not. Am I to young? Emotionally, mature enough... That is a subjective call.

Quote:...grow up emotionally or mentally a little bit faster than his peers - there certainly was in mine. ...but I remember what it was like at that age being more mature than most of the kids around me.

Every frickin' kid will say the same thing. They will believe they are more mature than their peers. They will think that their experiances are more unique than others and made them mature faster than the other kids around them. Chances are they are not and they didn't. You, and they, are not as special as you lead yourselves to be.

Quote:And if you say you want a real relationship with someone, you have to be able to find common ground for discussion - eventually you have to talk, right? That's what would be implied by "I love him and he loves me": something a little more than just the mattress rumba. I find it extremely unlikely that such an age difference would have a hell of a lot to discuss in a 'meeting of the minds' sort of fashion. I do find it incredibly suspect that the man would think a 16 year old would be a suitable partner - if that is what he's looking for and not just a fuck-toy.

And there is the truth of the matter. Does anyone here actually believe this older fella wants this girly-boy for anything else other than for his sexual perversion? I don't believe he does. A 'fuck-toy' (such eloquence) is all he is after. He is playing the 'relationship' card to lure him in, in the same manner many of us men use that same card with women, get our way, and disappear. Didn't change the answer to the question, "Am I to young?", no, you are not. Sixteen is legal.

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(February 4, 2011 at 8:24 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: [shrugs] This is coming from someone who has to mentally be able to connect up with whoever she's fucking, so maybe I'm biased about the whole thing.

Yes, yes you are.

Quote:If he does and gets emotionally and mentally and physically screwed...can't say we didn't warn him. He can take it or leave it.

Am I to young? No, you are not.

Just know this old fella is going to make you cry like a little girl when he bweaks your widdle heart.