(May 12, 2012 at 10:12 am)jain.rahul Wrote: I have been given this reason by a muslim that god exists.

Number of times the word "Moon" appears in the Qur’an = 27
Time it takes the Moon to travel round the Earth (in days) = 27

Number of times the word “land” appears in the Qur’an = 13
Number of times the word “sea” appears in the Qur’an = 32
Proportion of dry land to sea covering the Earth = 13/45 = 29%
Proportion of sea to dry land on Earth = 32/45 = 71%

The star Sirius appears in the Surah called an-Najm, meaning “Star.” The stars comprising Sirius approach one another in their courses once every 49.9 years. This astronomic phenomenon is indicated in verses 49 and 9 of Surat an-Najm.

Al-Hadid is the 57th Surah of the Qur’an, and the numerical value of the words al-Hadid is also 57.
The value of the word "hadid" alone is 26, and this is also the atomic number of iron.

The word “day (yavm)" appears 365 times in the Qur’an.
It takes the Earth 365 days to orbit the Sun.

The words “man” and “woman” both appear 23 times in the Qur’an.
The 23rd chromosome is the main element that determines an individual’s gender.

Verse 19:57 of the Qur’an speaks of “raising to a high place.”
"Sputnik 1," the first unmanned satellite, was launched in 1957.

Surat an-Nahl, meaning “Bee,” is the 16th Surah.
The bee has 16 chromosomes.

This proves that Quran is the word of God.
I haven't read Quran myself to refute these arguments. Any advises?

(January 8, 2016 at 4:07 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: When I disbelieved in the Quran, I was able to find faults in it. I was a Deist as a result for 5 years. An Atheist only for a week, and even then, not your average Joe Atheist but one who was in severe distress and on the brink of despair.

I went through a period of believing in Islam and disbelieving in it, for about a year and half, in which most of the time I inclined to Deism.

As Rhythm alludes to, I believe what caused me to think there were problems were dark hidden forces and a dark magic on the heart.  When I solved them and a clearer more rational recitation took place, along with a deeper perception of the rights of God's chosen ones, the family of Mohammad, in Quran, I began to believe there was something sinister in this world that wanted to keep me from perceiving the truth of the Quran.

With that attitude, I experienced Quran on whole new levels that I never did before, and the ugly faces of it that appeared to me of it, disappeared into that of  beauty, wisdom, reason, majesty, and light.

I don't believe that I can't explain much of that perception, I believe much of it can be explained, which is why I want to write a book about the Quran, my perception of the Surahs explained. The reading in between the lines, that once manifested, seems like, what made me miss this?

(January 9, 2016 at 11:42 am)Rhythm Wrote: Oh cmon, Mystic could very well have gone through a bout of atheism.  There is no absurdity whatsoever in that claim.  

What -is- absurd...is that Mystic here has embroiled himself in a dispute over the succession of dead kings as though it were a matter of divine import.

(January 8, 2016 at 9:05 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote:

(January 8, 2016 at 11:21 am)drfuzzy Wrote: And clearly you didn't bother to read the rules.   
Miracles!   As somebody else posted, they MIGHT be worth looking at if all of the modern "miracles" mentioned were actually in the original text.  Otherwise, all you have is someone manipulating letters and numbers in a book.  You can do that with ANY book.  You can find the same "miracles" in a Harry Potter book, a cookbook, or a newspaper.

But my friend obviously u didn't pay attention to my response. Because I clearly said that the Qur'an is in its original Arabic language in which not ONE SINGLE LETTER HAS BEEN CHANGED since the first revelation of the Qur'an to the Prophet Muhammad(PBUH)which was over 1400 years ago. So no one has manipulated any letters in this book.

(January 9, 2016 at 12:00 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:

(January 8, 2016 at 9:05 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote: But my friend obviously u didn't pay attention to my response. Because I clearly said that the Qur'an is in its original Arabic language in which not ONE SINGLE LETTER HAS BEEN CHANGED since the first revelation of the Qur'an to the Prophet Muhammad(PBUH)which was over 1400 years ago. So no one has manipulated any letters in this book.

No one has to change a single letter to do the ridiculous math trick that was described.  And the same trick that was done on the Qur'an has been done, in the same way, with similar results, to many, many other books.  It's just a silly math game, and nothing more.  It would work on a newspaper - any newspaper, any section.

(January 9, 2016 at 6:28 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote:

(January 9, 2016 at 12:00 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: No one has to change a single letter to do the ridiculous math trick that was described.  And the same trick that was done on the Qur'an has been done, in the same way, with similar results, to many, many other books.  It's just a silly math game, and nothing more.  It would work on a newspaper - any newspaper, any section.

would u like a different mathematical, or how about a scientific miracle, or an astronomical miracle, or just a linguistic miracle?

(May 12, 2012 at 10:12 am)jain.rahul Wrote: I have been given this reason by a muslim that god exists.

Number of times the word "Moon" appears in the Qur’an = 27
Time it takes the Moon to travel round the Earth (in days) = 27

Number of times the word “land” appears in the Qur’an = 13
Number of times the word “sea” appears in the Qur’an = 32
Proportion of dry land to sea covering the Earth = 13/45 = 29%
Proportion of sea to dry land on Earth = 32/45 = 71%

The star Sirius appears in the Surah called an-Najm, meaning “Star.” The stars comprising Sirius approach one another in their courses once every 49.9 years. This astronomic phenomenon is indicated in verses 49 and 9 of Surat an-Najm.

Al-Hadid is the 57th Surah of the Qur’an, and the numerical value of the words al-Hadid is also 57.
The value of the word "hadid" alone is 26, and this is also the atomic number of iron.

The word “day (yavm)" appears 365 times in the Qur’an.
It takes the Earth 365 days to orbit the Sun.

The words “man” and “woman” both appear 23 times in the Qur’an.
The 23rd chromosome is the main element that determines an individual’s gender.

Verse 19:57 of the Qur’an speaks of “raising to a high place.”
"Sputnik 1," the first unmanned satellite, was launched in 1957.

Surat an-Nahl, meaning “Bee,” is the 16th Surah.
The bee has 16 chromosomes.

This proves that Quran is the word of God.
I haven't read Quran myself to refute these arguments. Any advises?