Yeah. "I'm an expert - you get all your information from websites". Does he honestly think he's being original?

In fact, does he honestly think at all?

(January 10, 2016 at 6:09 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(January 10, 2016 at 12:24 am)yukapuka Wrote: [quote pid='1166986' dateline='1452336460']

ISIS has nothing to do with Islam or Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) majority of Muslims (except the few crazy extremists ...kind of like you guys here in your own way) will confirm this fact

ISIS certainly think they are Islamic, as do many of the more violent groups of people wandering the world committing acts of mindless savagery. The fact that you don't think they are is what we call the "no true Scotsmen fallacy" just because you don't think that they can be a muslim and do what they do does not mean that they aren't muslims. it is how they self identify, even using hadiths and the koran to justify their violent rampages. I'm not saying that Islam is fundamentally a violent religion, or that all muslims are violent, what I am saying is that Islam can and is used by people to justify horror, it is at best an ambiguous religion.
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Did you hear about the ISIS guy who ratted out his own mother because she was trying to get him to leave the crazies?  He killed her before the crowd, just like it says to do in Deuteronomy 13:6-10 says to do.  http://www.bricktestament.com/the_law/wh...06-08.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideas...WH20160108

(January 10, 2016 at 8:53 am)LastPoet Wrote: Listen fella, you believe in magical prophets, that had 9 year old wives, split the moon in half, despite it being there, whose teachings kinda reflect the political ideas at the time.

Playing offended with our freedom of expression really tells me all about you and your religion.

There are a couple of muslims on this forum, one vastly more than the other, that I respect. I do respect them for who they are, not by their silly beliefs. You are not one of them.

If propaganda is all you want to do, you chose a tough crowd.

Go ahead and prove to me he had a 9 year old wife

i already stated that Muammad(PBUH) had many enemies, and collection of hadith is just that collection of hadith, there are any hadith that re not accepted by scholars

we never claim that hadith is true just because it is hadith , and only illiterate and stupid people like ISIS take from its heap and propagate it, and your doing exactly the same thing as ISIS

your selling people lies in order to try to make some false point and brainwash people

(January 10, 2016 at 9:33 am)Stimbo Wrote: Yeah. "I'm an expert - you get all your information from websites". Does he honestly think he's being original?

In fact, does he honestly think at all?

i have been a Muslims all my life, i dont get my information from websites, but from ACTUAL study of the religion

its called knowing and studying what you believe in

(January 10, 2016 at 9:33 am)Stimbo Wrote: Yeah. "I'm an expert - you get all your information from websites". Does he honestly think he's being original?

In fact, does he honestly think at all?

Does anyone fucking care?

its not about what i think, its about following the rules and laws of the religion, you cant just say your a Muslim and everything you do afterwards suddenly means your doing Islamic things

really if you have those kind of standards in life about anything , its a surprise you are still around at all

really it is beyond dumb and stupid to even claim that just because they say they are Muslims makes them Muslim

i sometimes wander at people who say such things, its like you have a lack of understanding of life, as if you lived in a bubble tucked away from life with these kinds of ridiculous statements

if i say that i am a law abiding citizen of country X , and yet i go and break all of the laws , am i a "law abiding citizen?"

seriously if you claim that i am, or believe that i am because i said it despite that my actions speak louder then my words

then the problem is obviously that you are greatly delusional and live in some kind of dementia fantasy where you take everything everyone says as truth and ignore intentionally or blindly what is right in front of you

Do yo honestly think ANY persons or people would follow a religion that tells them to go and kill people?

thats not a religion of God, thats a religion of Satan

but again i am surprised at the blatant gross marginalization you perceive

at the ignorance , at the stupidity of what some of you believe

in so many ways you share the same traits as ISIS

somebody tells you something or you hear something and bang you accept it as truth

and grossly group everything in life under 1-2 banners

really its amazing you dont open your eyes and look at what is actually going on in the world

you take your knowledge from bigots and biased racists without confirming it for yourself

and you keep on insisting we believe in something which is FAR from truth, but you still insist on it as if our minds are yours and we dont know what we believe in

you will tell us what we believe, really its such a irrational and ignorant concept

you minimize truth and your expand and amplify falsehood

you tell US what YOU believe we think, despite that if you were to go to society and see that the reality tells another story

but you choose to live in a bubble, to ignore the world around you and insist on your lies

and if you didnt understand this above ask yourself these questions

how many Muslims in the world (2 billion)

how many ISIS members and other terrorist groups in the world (maybe 100,000 all up max)

how much is 100,000/2 billion

do the math

so what is that in percentage? how many Muslims who actually follow peace and Islam and how many people adhere to some violent view?

and the question as to why they adhere to these views, well to be blatantly honest, they are after revenge

they lost their family and lives when America bombed their country and killed them in collateral or they are criminals trying to capitalize and exploit from the chaos in middle east after all the wars America had there

another question

who is the majority that ISIS is killing an has killed? MUSLIMS

not Christians, not Jews, not yazidis, not atheists but MUSLIMS

so if you have an INCH of a brain, calculate that and hopefully arrive at a rational conclusion

(January 11, 2016 at 2:41 am)yukapuka Wrote: Do yo honestly think ANY persons or people would follow a religion that tells them to go and kill people?[/quiote]

Yes.

Quote:thats not a religion of God, thats a religion of Satan

That's not what the holy texts say. 

Quote:but again i am surprised at the blatant gross marginalization you perceive

at the ignorance , at the stupidity of what some of you believe

in so many ways you share the same traits as ISIS

somebody tells you something or you hear something and bang you accept it as truth

No we are atheists, that is the exact opposite of what we do.

Quote:and grossly group everything in life under 1-2 banners

really its amazing you dont open your eyes and look at what is actually going on in the world

you take your knowledge from bigots and biased racists without confirming it for yourself

Islam is not a race.

Quote:and you keep on insisting we believe in something which is FAR from truth, but you still insist on it as if our minds are yours and we dont know what we believe in

you will tell us what we believe, really its such a irrational and ignorant concept

you minimize truth and your expand and amplify falsehood

you tell US what YOU believe we think, despite that if you were to go to society and see that the reality tells another story

ISIS say they are muslims who am I to say they aren't? 

but you choose to live in a bubble, to ignore the world around you and insist on your lies

Quote:and if you didnt understand this above ask yourself these questions

how many Muslims in the world (2 billion)

how many ISIS members and other terrorist groups in the world (maybe 100,000 all up max)

how much is 100,000/2 billion

do the math

so what is that in percentage? how many Muslims who actually follow peace and Islam and how many people adhere to some violent view?

Are ISIS the only violent muslims because Boko Haram the Taliban saudi arabia and so on and so on would appear to dicks also.

Quote:and the question as to why they adhere to these views, well to be blatantly honest, they are after revenge

they lost their family and lives when America bombed their country and killed them in collateral or they are criminals trying to capitalize and exploit from the chaos in middle east after all the wars America had there  

another question

who is the majority that ISIS is killing an has killed? MUSLIMS

not Christians, not Jews, not yazidis, not atheists but MUSLIMS

so if you have an INCH of a brain, calculate that and hopefully arrive at a rational conclusion

So my take away from this is muslim on muslim violence is ok.

(January 11, 2016 at 2:30 am)yukapuka Wrote: its not about what i think, its about following the rules and laws of the religion, you cant just say your a Muslim and everything you do afterwards suddenly means your doing Islamic things

really if you have those kind of standards in life about anything , its a surprise you are still around at all

really it is beyond dumb and stupid to even claim that just because they say they are Muslims makes them Muslim

i sometimes wander at people who say such things, its like you have a lack of understanding of life, as if you lived in a bubble tucked away from life with these kinds of ridiculous statements

if i say that i am a law abiding citizen of country X , and yet i go and break all of the laws , am i a "law abiding citizen?"

seriously if you claim that i am, or believe that i am because i said it despite that my actions speak louder then my words

then the problem is obviously that you are greatly delusional and live in some kind of dementia fantasy where you take everything everyone says as truth and ignore intentionally or blindly what is right in front of you

If the ISIS thugs do what the Koran says that they should do why aren't they true muslims?

All true believers know there are invisible words in the texts, like, "Not really, that bit just now was a joke, don't do that. That would be mental!"