(February 13, 2011 at 7:58 am)fr0d0 Wrote: The existence of God bears zero impact upon my belief in him. My belief in him is the complete benefit in itself.

So you believe in belief, because it provides psychological benefits. Then God is no different from any other positive illusion that provides similar benefits. Like self-enhancing bias, or the placebo effect. Or belief in benevolent spirits or guardian angels. Sure it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling, but that feeling comes from within your own mind, not from any external supernatural entity.

(February 13, 2011 at 8:51 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote:

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BANANNAS!!! OMGG!! I love Banannas!!

Yes dear, and I love watching you eat bananas

(February 14, 2011 at 6:39 am)Zen Badger Wrote:

(February 13, 2011 at 8:51 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote:

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BANANNAS!!! OMGG!! I love Banannas!!

Yes dear, and I love watching you eat bananas

*He sighs happily*

(February 10, 2011 at 7:22 am)Zen Badger Wrote:

(February 10, 2011 at 2:58 am)fr0d0 Wrote: God's existence can't be known. Bomb proof.

If gods existence cannot be known(i.e proven) then the only logical conclusion is that he doesn't exist.

Same as unicorns, trolls, Russells teapot and Jesus.

I suppose, if you are unimaginative.

(December 18, 2011 at 2:59 pm)Popsi Wrote:

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(February 10, 2011 at 7:22 am)Zen Badger Wrote:

(February 10, 2011 at 2:58 am)fr0d0 Wrote: God's existence can't be known. Bomb proof.

If gods existence cannot be known(i.e proven) then the only logical conclusion is that he doesn't exist.

Same as unicorns, trolls, Russells teapot and Jesus.

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I suppose, if you are unimaginative.

Hey newbie ... necroposting like this isn't a huge violation or anything, but typically, if you're going to do it --you need to add something new, not a response to something that someone posted nearly a year ago.


That being said, I simply HAVE to address your remark. People who believe in god, real or false, do indeed need to have a bit of an imagination. Which makes your rebuttal kind of hilarious. Imagination and evidence do NOT go hand in hand ... and this is coming from a deist ... so you know I'm being fair.

Atheism is correctly termed as a belief that there are no gods and is no God; it is not a lack of belief, a simple lack of belief is agnosticism. Atheism is a conviction.

Any belief, if sound, must logically be taken to it's ultimate conclusion to be proven.

A belief that some things are inherently good or bad, that there is purpose, value, meaning, or any objective reality aty all outside of human perception, necessitates faith. There is absolutely no empirical evidence that murder is "bad". Such a hypothesis necessarily denotes that value judgements are true.

Value judgements are only possible through observation of a conscious entity.

A belief that value judgements are true necessitates consciousness as a primary function of the universe, rather than a purely mechanical universe.

A belief that consciousness is a primary function of the universe, that consciousness pervades everything and is true apart from time or space, that things are in fact "real", that some things are inherently bad or good, right or wrong, true or not true, would be correctly termed a belief in "God".

If consciouness is a primary function of the universe; if there is a particle that peervades everything, if any of our observations are actually correct, that particle or consciousness would be best described as a singular and constant thing rather than multiple different things. If consciousness exists outside the sphere of humanity, and is inherent rather than an emergent function of complex systems, that necessitates a belief in what would be correctly termed a monotheistic deity.

A belief that this "God" does not exist, while wholly rational, is illogical and counter-intuitive. it is committing a fallacy of invincible ignorance and contrary to all scientific observation and achievement.

A belief that objective truth does not exist is a belief that nothing actually exists outside of our own consciousness. That the only reason things are real is due to our perceptions and out brain, chemical reactions, neuroscience. A truely atheistic world view necessitates that gravity does not "exist", laws of physics are mere conscious observations that have no inherent truth besides that which humans ascribe them. Atheism can not coexist in a sceintifically objective worldview.

Religion and "God" are not the same. If "God" exists, it exists apart from man-made religions and in-spite of them, not beccause of them. Religion was created by primitive man to explain how and why things are objectively true. All religion, including science, was inspired by a belief in objective reality, in real truth, a belief in "God'.

Atheism is a belief that things are not real. Most atheists, with their limited intellects (which usually surpass the intellects of their theist counterparts) believe that they attack or disbelieve iin "God" when in reality they are simply attacking religion.

Logically, if one was being intellectually honest, most atheists actually believe in what would correctly be termed a montheistic deity, of "God", that truth and reality exist outside of human comprehension and understanding, even if they say they don't. .

This is not an attempt to force my beliefs on anyone. I offer no truth about religion or flying spaghetti monsters. It is simply my own logical observations. I do not claim to know the "mind" of "God". I am not stating unequivicolly that God exists, although I believe that to be true. It is entirely logical that reality is, in fact, purely subjective. That the universe is entirely mechanical. That truth, love, hate, morality, value, purpose, logic, consciousness, etc are not inherent qualities that things have but merely perceptions of the human brain. If that is what you believe, you are an atheist. If it's not, you're not, even though you may claim to be. Most atheists, in my opinion, are just as confused as theists they disagree with. Atheists have been disillusioned by the plight that man has created in the name of religion and ignorantly rejected the idea of God, but in reality any argument made by atheists is ultimately not an argument against God, it is an argument against particular religious beliefs.

Reality is not subject to the limits of human knowledge

Quote:I suppose, if you are unimaginative.

I can imagine lots of things....doesn't make them "real."

Just like your fucking 'god.'

(December 18, 2011 at 4:54 pm)Cinjin Wrote:

(December 18, 2011 at 2:59 pm)Popsi Wrote:

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(February 10, 2011 at 7:22 am)Zen Badger Wrote:

(February 10, 2011 at 2:58 am)fr0d0 Wrote: God's existence can't be known. Bomb proof.

If gods existence cannot be known(i.e proven) then the only logical conclusion is that he doesn't exist.

Same as unicorns, trolls, Russells teapot and Jesus.

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I suppose, if you are unimaginative.

Hey newbie ... necroposting like this isn't a huge violation or anything, but typically, if you're going to do it --you need to add something new, not a response to something that someone posted nearly a year ago.


That being said, I simply HAVE to address your remark. People who believe in god, real or false, do indeed need to have a bit of an imagination. Which makes your rebuttal kind of hilarious. Imagination and evidence do NOT go hand in hand ... and this is coming from a deist ... so you know I'm being fair.

Heheh, sorry for the necroposting, and I'm sorry, I was being flippant. I agree with you!

(February 14, 2011 at 6:39 am)Zen Badger Wrote:

(February 13, 2011 at 8:51 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote:

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BANANNAS!!! OMGG!! I love Banannas!!

Yes dear, and I love watching you eat bananas

What about a hot dog?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7RKiiOUxL0

That boat will never float, too many "if"-shaped holes Amker.