(February 19, 2016 at 9:10 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: The worst I've heard from Christians over horrible deaths of children like described in the OP is, "Well, god just needed more angels in Heaven". If that's the case, why doesn't the Biblical God character just create more angels?

Oh, fucking Kreist on a dildo in a wheelchair! It's always statements such as that which are meant to be so cute, so innocent, and so reassuring that are the most perniciously insensitive, and that's the Christian heart for you. It is so emotional that any attempt to unpack it will make you look like the monster, when it's the attitude which you are addressing which is, comforting or not, also truly monstrous! But we should do it when it's not at risk of our jobs, because nobody will do more to better protect children while what happens to them is regarded as any less bad than it really is.

(February 19, 2016 at 8:59 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: While I'm in agreement with most of the posts that what happened was not impacted by belief therefore why believe (didn't read all) I'm not entirely sure I'm comfortable with using the death of a child as a springboard for an attack on theism. If theism disappeared completely there would still be the unfortunate and cruel deaths of children.

True . . .  
But fundie xtianity has lots and lots of books, horrendously popular books, teaching parents HOW to administer corporal punishment.  
List of pro-spanking books
Many children have died at the hands of parents who were following these books.  Here is one article:  http://www.today.com/parents/controversy...-1C7398001
Fundie preachers advocate corporal punishment from the pulpit.  It's a problem.

A little bit of literacy is a dangerous thing!

Yes God allowed this to happen to this child,  why is beyond my understanding. What I do know, this child will live forever in heaven. What if God had stopped this horrible thing and the child grew up to be a non-believer and live an eternal life in hell. Seems to me the short life of this poor child brings him into a greater life for eternity.
Now to address this from an evolutionary point of view. You believe there is no God, so this means that evolution is at fault in making defaulty people. What kind of reasonable evolution is going on that would cause a specie to kill off it's own self and all the others around it. No other species does this and we're the one called the most advanced, of coarse we have labeled ourselves. Never in all the supposed millions of years of evolution has this happened, so ask yourselves why now, does this make the least bit of sense?
The way I see it the all loving God wanted this child to live in heaven forever, and evolution just doesn't care about it's most advanced effort, of coarse evolution cares for nothing. I personally choose God, why because this is a short life, eternity is where it is.

GC

(February 20, 2016 at 2:08 am)Godschild Wrote: Yes God allowed this to happen to this child,  why is beyond my understanding. What I do know, this child will live forever in heaven. What if God had stopped this horrible thing and the child grew up to be a non-believer and live an eternal life in hell. Seems to me the short life of this poor child brings him into a greater life for eternity.
Now to address this from an evolutionary point of view. You believe there is no God, so this means that evolution is at fault in making defaulty people. What kind of reasonable evolution is going on that would cause a specie to kill off it's own self and all the others around it. No other species does this and we're the one called the most advanced, of coarse we have labeled ourselves. Never in all the supposed millions of years of evolution has this happened, so ask yourselves why now, does this make the least bit of sense?
The way I see it the all loving God wanted this child to live in heaven forever, and evolution just doesn't care about it's most advanced effort, of coarse evolution cares for nothing. I personally choose God, why because this is a short life, eternity is where it is.

GC

You should love abortions then.

As soon as someone says that God and his plan is "beyond their understanding" then they have admitted they have no way of knowing what his intentions are. How do you differentiate a good god from an evil God, if allowing children to be raped is what a good god does?

(February 20, 2016 at 2:08 am)Godschild Wrote: Yes God allowed this to happen to this child,  why is beyond my understanding. What I do know, this child will live forever in heaven. What if God had stopped this horrible thing and the child grew up to be a non-believer and live an eternal life in hell. Seems to me the short life of this poor child brings him into a greater life for eternity.
Now to address this from an evolutionary point of view. You believe there is no God, so this means that evolution is at fault in making defaulty people. What kind of reasonable evolution is going on that would cause a specie to kill off it's own self and all the others around it. No other species does this and we're the one called the most advanced, of coarse we have labeled ourselves. Never in all the supposed millions of years of evolution has this happened, so ask yourselves why now, does this make the least bit of sense?
The way I see it the all loving God wanted this child to live in heaven forever, and evolution just doesn't care about it's most advanced effort, of coarse evolution cares for nothing. I personally choose God, why because this is a short life, eternity is where it is.

GC

Yes, that child is much better off having gone the way he did. Perhaps you would be happy to trade places with him? Why shouldn't you be experiencing the final moments of his short, cruel and loveless life, pleading for his assailant to stop, wondering what he was being "punished" for? It's all good when you get to spend eternity with God, so why not get in the ring with a psychopath who is 4 times your size and get on with getting your arrogant ass off to his Candyland In The Sky already?

You truly are that twisted and perverse that you will, in your bid to protect your precious ideas which don't hold up to reality, spin the ultimate evil as something positive, therefore less of an evil - anything for a distraction from the big elephant which you just can't keep out of the room! How dare you exploit such evils against the innocent! The evils which people do to children should never, ever be regarded as anything other than the evil which it truly is, so that we will all deal with it as nothing different. We must do everything we can to prevent any such things from ever happening to children, and those who speak to desensitize others with their warm, fuzzy, comforting woo-goo are the best friends of the monsters who are too big and mean to be lurking under children's beds.

(February 20, 2016 at 2:45 am)robvalue Wrote: As soon as someone says that God and his plan is "beyond their understanding" then they have admitted they have no way of knowing what his intentions are. How do you differentiate a good god from an evil God, if allowing children to be raped is what a good god does?

Good question. But god is like Soviet Union* - he is good by definition just as SU was progressive by definition.


*In this case I don't mean non-existing.

(February 20, 2016 at 2:08 am)Godschild Wrote: Yes God allowed this to happen to this child,  why is beyond my understanding. What I do know, this child will live forever in heaven. What if God had stopped this horrible thing and the child grew up to be a non-believer and live an eternal life in hell. Seems to me the short life of this poor child brings him into a greater life for eternity.
Now to address this from an evolutionary point of view. You believe there is no God, so this means that evolution is at fault in making defaulty people. What kind of reasonable evolution is going on that would cause a specie to kill off it's own self and all the others around it. No other species does this and we're the one called the most advanced, of coarse we have labeled ourselves. Never in all the supposed millions of years of evolution has this happened, so ask yourselves why now, does this make the least bit of sense?
The way I see it the all loving God wanted this child to live in heaven forever, and evolution just doesn't care about it's most advanced effort, of coarse evolution cares for nothing. I personally choose God, why because this is a short life, eternity is where it is.

GC

All loving god my arse, you make me sick.

(February 19, 2016 at 9:28 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote:

(February 19, 2016 at 9:10 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: The worst I've heard from Christians over horrible deaths of children like described in the OP is, "Well, god just needed more angels in Heaven". If that's the case, why doesn't the Biblical God character just create more angels?

Oh, fucking Kreist on a dildo in a wheelchair! It's always statements such as that which are meant to be so cute, so innocent, and so reassuring that are the most perniciously insensitive, and that's the Christian heart for you. It is so emotional that any attempt to unpack it will make you look like the monster, when it's the attitude which you are addressing which is, comforting or not, also truly monstrous! But we should do it when it's not at risk of our jobs, because nobody will do more to better protect children while what happens to them is regarded as any less bad than it really is.

Muslims think that children who are buried alive go to paradise.