Also the bible never says we have 'free will.' that was a greek philosophy not a biblical one.

(March 3, 2016 at 9:24 pm)abaris Wrote: Satan, according to the narrative, is a moron. He starts out as one of god's favorite angels. So he has to know the omniscent and omnipotent stuff.

Who, not being totally mental, would rebell against such a being? And why would he play god's torturer afterwards? That's not in his best interest, but we already established that he's an idiot.

Who indeed members of ATHEISTFORUMS.Org???

(March 3, 2016 at 9:41 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(March 3, 2016 at 9:24 pm)abaris Wrote: Satan, according to the narrative, is a moron. He starts out as one of god's favorite angels. So he has to know the omniscent and omnipotent stuff.

Who, not being totally mental, would rebell against such a being? And why would he play god's torturer afterwards? That's not in his best interest, but we already established that he's an idiot.

And how incompetent is "god", knowing everything, therefore knowing the angels would rebel, but letting it happen anyway?

Incompetent, or evil and part of its plan?

why wouldn't 'rebellion' be apart of the plan?

doesn't rebellion allow those who truly want to be with God the freedom to choose to be with God and those who do not the opportunity to leave?

My bulshit meter just reached orbit.

(March 4, 2016 at 1:34 pm)Drich Wrote: Also the bible never says we have 'free will.' that was a greek philosophy not a biblical one.

You should discuss that with your fellow believers, you are going apeshit.

(March 4, 2016 at 1:34 pm)Drich Wrote: Also the bible never says we have 'free will.' that was a greek philosophy not a biblical one.

Have that out with GC. He might actually care.

It's ludicrous that even among evangelicals you can't find common ground on what the bible says.

(March 4, 2016 at 1:34 pm)Drich Wrote: Also the bible never says we have 'free will.' that was a greek philosophy not a biblical one.

It never calls it that by name, it uses the language of choice and implies that our choices are meaningful.

Quote:No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.

1 Corinthians 10:13 ESV

(March 4, 2016 at 1:34 pm)Drich Wrote: Also the bible never says we have 'free will.' that was a greek philosophy not a biblical one.

So, basically, predestination. Yes?

(March 4, 2016 at 3:17 am)Godschild Wrote:

(March 3, 2016 at 4:21 pm)Nihilist Virus Wrote: 1. Men accidentally corrupted the Bible despite trying not to (example: compare the list in Ezra 2 with the list in Nehemiah 7)
2. Satan is more intelligent and more powerful than any man
3. Satan is motivated to corrupt the Bible
4. ???
5. Satan cannot even corrupt the Bible to the same degree that man has

If you admit that Satan actually has corrupted the Bible, then boy are you in trouble. So premise 4 must be, "God manually prevents Satan from corrupting the Bible."

But then why doesn't God also manually prevent scribes from corrupting the Bible, especially if we can agree that they are probably praying for such divine intervention (John 14:13)? This would not be a vulgar miracle, nor would it be the overriding of free will. I know that some Bibles will be corrupted by man - I could easily type one up myself and change some things - but why has God allowed the corruption of the text to get so bad that there is not a single perfect copy on earth? And how does this reconcile with Psalm 12:6-7?

1. At this moment I do not have a definitive answer for Ezra and Nehemiah. There are only a small difference in the names and a great deal that are the same, this could be due to people being called by different names, I have a friend I call by his middle name his family uses his first name. Reason when his family moved into the neighborhood I asked his name, was the same as mine asked his middle name and that's what I've called him ever since, many of his friends followed what I call him so he is known by two different names, one person two names. Happens more than you might think. 
2. Satan is more powerful and intelligent than any man who doesn't have Christ as is savior. 2 Cor. 4:4 The god (Satan) of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. Satan misuses the scriptures--- Matt. 4:6-7 "If you are the Son of God," he said, throw yourself down. For it is written: " ' He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, that you will not strike your foot against a stone.' " 7) Jesus answered him, "It is also written: Do not put the Lord your God to the test.' "    Satan misuses the scriptures and leads man to do the same. Notice that Jesus called himself Lord and God. 
3. Satan corrupts the Bible through leading man astray, those foolish enough to believe him. Jesus speaking to the people.  John 8:43-47 Jesus said to them, "Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44) You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out the will of your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45) Yet because I tell the truth you do not believe me! Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I'm telling the truth, why don't you believe me? 47) He who belongs to God hears what God says. (notice Jesus calls himself God) The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.
4. What's this confused?
5.Satan is not allowed to mess with the written word of God, Satan is using someone here to try and corrupt God's word. 

Psalm 12 You should have read the entire chapter it really is a short read. This Psalm is about God's promise to protect the righteous from the unrighteous of that day. You really need to understand when you draw a couple of verses out of a chapter you can make whatever you want, your's was a poor attempt though. But then Satan knows this is the only way he can try and corrupt the word of God, using those who don't want to try and understand what God wants to do for man, Satan likes easy prey.

GC

1. The difference in names is not the problem. The problem is that of the three dozen entries, about half are give the same number and about half vary wildy, anywhere from 1 to 1100, and the variations are not always a multiple of ten or even in a single digits place. Also there is not a uniform increase or decline from one to the other, but just random variation.
2. So you are saying that Satan is more intelligent than me but not more intelligent than you?
3. Not sure how this is relevant to the discussion.
4. Lol
5. Why is it that Satan is not allowed to mess with the written word of God but yet humans mess it up all over the place?

Want to throw out Psalms 12? Fine, how about Matthew 5:18... oh wait, Jesus is talking about the "law." inb4 GC goes full metal retard on us again.

(March 4, 2016 at 1:33 pm)Drich Wrote:

(March 3, 2016 at 4:21 pm)Nihilist Virus Wrote: 1. Men accidentally corrupted the Bible despite trying not to (example: compare the list in Ezra 2 with the list in Nehemiah 7)
2. Satan is more intelligent and more powerful than any man
3. Satan is motivated to corrupt the Bible
4. ???
5. Satan cannot even corrupt the Bible to the same degree that man has

If you admit that Satan actually has corrupted the Bible, then boy are you in trouble. So premise 4 must be, "God manually prevents Satan from corrupting the Bible."

But then why doesn't God also manually prevent scribes from corrupting the Bible, especially if we can agree that they are probably praying for such divine intervention (John 14:13)? This would not be a vulgar miracle, nor would it be the overriding of free will. I know that some Bibles will be corrupted by man - I could easily type one up myself and change some things - but why has God allowed the corruption of the text to get so bad that there is not a single perfect copy on earth? And how does this reconcile with Psalm 12:6-7?

I don't see the contradiction between Neh and Ezra you claim.

I see a identical list of people and a list of towns that do not preclude one another.

That's probably because you are both a liar and a fucking moron.

Look at this list of parallel versions all agreeing on the content of Ezra 2:13
http://www.biblestudytools.com/ezra/2-13-compare.html

Now look at this list of parallel versions all agreeing on the content of Nehemiah 7:18
http://www.biblestudytools.com/nehemiah/...mpare.html

And both of these verses disagree with one another.

So no matter what version you use, you are a fucking liar, or else you are just too stupid to compare numbers, or else you were too lazy to even look.

You should change your sig to L/S/L for Lazy/Stupid/Liar.

(March 4, 2016 at 1:36 pm)Drich Wrote:

(March 3, 2016 at 9:24 pm)abaris Wrote: Satan, according to the narrative, is a moron. He starts out as one of god's favorite angels. So he has to know the omniscent and omnipotent stuff.

Who, not being totally mental, would rebell against such a being? And why would he play god's torturer afterwards? That's not in his best interest, but we already established that he's an idiot.

Who indeed members of ATHEISTFORUMS.Org???

But Satan isn't an atheist you motherfucking retard.