Quote:the government can't discriminate.

The Republicanazis don't agree.

(March 5, 2011 at 1:20 am)corndog36 Wrote: I support same-sex marriage because one of our inalienable rights is 'pursuit of happiness'.

This Silicoid Empress would suggest to you that she can easily alienate your 'right' to pursue happiness. She can make your life a real living hell, and yet you'll still live, and likely still be a productive member of Silicoid society... albeit one of those in a special zone on the heavily polluted terran worlds.

Either that, or I am sure my scientists would love to run some tests on you humans. I make no guarantee that you will survive these tests, and infact I highly doubt that you will either enjoy them, or live through them.

Quote:The government can only infringe that right if there is a compelling state interest.

A government can "infringe" (upon) any "rights" that it bloody wants to, for whatever petty reason that might be. Now... it wouldn't be wise to bother with it if there isn't a 'compelling state interest', but what one can and cannot do is not based in what is and is not wise.

Quote:The only compelling interest the government has in marriage is that it is a contract, and the government has to be able to resolve contractual disputes.

*Presents corndog36 with a gun, sword, and pointy stick*

That's how I will solve your contract if you come to me with it. I never made this contract: you did. And I really don't give half of my left ankle about the contract you made: if you stick such an unwanted thing in front of me when I have real work to do, I will likely have it casually set on fire. I also do not see reason to waste the resources of the state on a 'we intend to only have sex with each other' contract you made with another person... while business needs enough regulation to keep it from being damaging to the state either directly or indirectly: your 'marriage' to another person (or your cat) is entirely irrelevant to the function of state: it is a choice a state makes as to whether it will care about your 'contract' with each other or not.

Quote:The alternative would be pistols at 20 paces.

As you are walking away, I will shoot you. Probably twice.

Quote:The government's interest is the same regardless of the gender of the people entering into the contract.

Not necessarily true. If a government can make a choice that it cares about penguins, then it can make a choice that it only cares about the penguins that are white with black spots. Black with white spots don't also have to be recognized.

Quote:Whether it is called Marriage or something else it has to be the same for everyone, the government can't discriminate. (Well, it is not supposed to anyway.)

It can. It should. It hopefully will continue to do so for the whole of its existence.

Discriminating along lines that have no tangible gain is something that I wouldn't espouse, however: government is not required to not discriminate along such lines, and is also not obligated to do so.

And not discriminating is foolish. We thrive on discrimination. This tree is not empty space, therefore I will not walk into it as I would empty space. All trees are like this: not something I would deliberately walk into.

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It's still a month before april first, isn't it?

(March 5, 2011 at 1:34 am)Minimalist Wrote: The Republicanazis don't agree.

AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! The duo from Hell!!!

*caption*

"We may not be actors like Reagan, but right wingers think we look HOT, which means we have a chance to be the next presidential team in the white house...YAAAYYYYYY!!!"""

Jumping up and down with black pom poms

Having been exposed to homophobes in high school I can safely say they deserve no respect for their opinions whatsoever, they can provide some religious reasons why they are against it, but when it comes to the right of marriage they [meaning homophobes] can go stuff themselves to put it mildly, what right does a group have to dictate how individuals can live, think or say when it comes to the private affairs and property rights of two consenting individuals, where no one else's property or rights have been violated. None.

As for discrimination when I went to school it was still appalling. I had the misfortune as being picked out as gay by some foul minded people, indeed I couldn't give a stuff what they thought of me, I was not gay at the time but certainly after the level of discrimination and hate I found in high school towards people deemed gay that I discovered, this made me disgusted and appalled about how most New Zealanders view and treat people who are different. It was no wonder after that I became bisexual and accepted both sexes as being potential mates or companions in my life (even if I tend to favor females), after all its discriminatory not too.

Edit: [meaning homophobes]

(March 7, 2011 at 9:20 am)BlackUnicorn Wrote: Having been exposed to homophobes in high school I can safely say they deserve no respect for their opinions whatsoever,....

Fuck you.

(March 7, 2011 at 9:42 am)Dotard Wrote:

(March 7, 2011 at 9:20 am)BlackUnicorn Wrote: Having been exposed to homophobes in high school I can safely say they deserve no respect for their opinions whatsoever,....

Fuck you.

And with that..you prove me correct. Like I need to say more.

PS: If you don't work for yourself, expect to get fired for hating queers some day.

Also my respect for you has dropped to zero, the fact you need to use foul language to support a discriminatory opinion puts you pretty low in my book.

Here's a Lily Allen song to 'Fuck You' back: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpZm1TstpjQ

I guess it's a myth that Atheists and the irreligious are free of homophobia.

(March 7, 2011 at 9:42 am)Dotard Wrote:

(March 7, 2011 at 9:20 am)BlackUnicorn Wrote: Having been exposed to homophobes in high school I can safely say they deserve no respect for their opinions whatsoever,....

Fuck you.

That was uncalled for Dotard. You just lost my respect. I have been reading your other quotes, and this was the straw that broke the camels back for me.

(March 7, 2011 at 9:20 am)BlackUnicorn Wrote: As for discrimination when I went to school it was still appalling. I had the misfortune as being picked out as gay by some foul minded people, indeed I couldn't give a stuff what they thought of me, I was not gay at the time but certainly after the level of discrimination and hate I found in high school towards people deemed gay that I discovered, this made me disgusted and appalled about how most New Zealanders view and treat people who are different. It was no wonder after that I became bisexual and accepted both sexes as being potential mates or companions in my life (even if I tend to favor females), after all its discriminatory not too.

Edit: [meaning homophobes]

Well the truth us that most people are indeed bisexual they just suffer from cultural indoctrination to believe they are not(culture my arch nemesis)

(March 7, 2011 at 4:04 pm)Ashendant Wrote: http://atheistforums.org/editpost.php?pid=121940

(March 7, 2011 at 9:20 am)BlackUnicorn Wrote: As for discrimination when I went to school it was still appalling. I had the misfortune as being picked out as gay by some foul minded people, indeed I couldn't give a stuff what they thought of me, I was not gay at the time but certainly after the level of discrimination and hate I found in high school towards people deemed gay that I discovered, this made me disgusted and appalled about how most New Zealanders view and treat people who are different. It was no wonder after that I became bisexual and accepted both sexes as being potential mates or companions in my life (even if I tend to favor females), after all its discriminatory not too.

Edit: [meaning homophobes]

Well the truth us that most people are indeed bisexual they just suffer from cultural indoctrination to believe they are not(culture my arch nemesis)

Well its pretty irrational (at least among sentient intelligent beings) to discriminate by race, religion, gender, or sexual alignment. I guess its a far off concept to believe in social and political equality for some people, ironic since they believe in being equal before the law, equal on basis of gender, believe everyone should have a say in government. Yet when push comes to shove many are still bigots one way or another discriminating against people by one or more of the above.

Quote:That was uncalled for Dotard. You just lost my respect. I have been reading your other quotes, and this was the straw that broke the camels back for me.

I was reading some parts of this 'No Ma'aam' http://no-maam.blogspot.com/, "Feminism, Socialism, and Communism are one in the same, and Socialist/Communist government is the goal of feminism." - Catharine A. MacKinnon, Toward a Feminist Theory of the State (First Harvard University Press, 1989), p.10" - Fail, they are not the same, its a massive generalization, like claiming everyone on the right is a religious extremist.

"A world where men and women would be equal is easy to visualize, for that precisely is what the Soviet Revolution promised." - Simone de Beauvoir, The Second Sex (New York, Random House, 1952), p.806 - Good he is dead now (at least I hope), another sexist bigot bites the dust.

"Psychological differences between the Sexes ARE NOT a social construct. (Gender, however, is a Feminist Construct)." - Anyone see the contradiction in this sentence? *yawn*

I do not believe it was a mere coincidence that the Suffragette Movement was born at virtually the same moment as the birth of Marxism. (Yes, I know there was "talk" before that, just as there was Socialist-Transcendentalism decades before Marxism)." - Wrong on all counts, there is a good comic poet out there called Aristophanes, he put the concept of gender equality in one of his plays called 'the assembly of women', and that's just one example. You might say the concept of gender equality occured at least a thousand years before socialism or communism existed.

(March 7, 2011 at 9:42 am)Dotard Wrote:

(March 7, 2011 at 9:20 am)BlackUnicorn Wrote: Having been exposed to homophobes in high school I can safely say they deserve no respect for their opinions whatsoever,....

Fuck you.

That's the best response you could think of?