(March 19, 2016 at 9:56 am)IATIA Wrote:

(March 19, 2016 at 9:22 am)I coulda had a V8 Wrote: And none of this has any effect on my taxes, so why does it matter?

Actually it does as religions do not pay taxes which requires us to pay more to compensate.

Ah, I see.

(March 19, 2016 at 9:56 am)IATIA Wrote:

(March 19, 2016 at 9:22 am)I coulda had a V8 Wrote: And none of this has any effect on my taxes, so why does it matter?

Actually it does as religions do not pay taxes which requires us to pay more to compensate.

Selling an imaginary product is no excuse for dodging taxes.

Of course, I hear claims of "religion does charity stuff". Indeed. Well, it can apply for charitable status like any other business.

Worse than that, their books are kept secret too. I wonder why.

Quote:Where does the Bible say that Adam committed evil, he sinned against God through disobedience and was punished for that disobedience.

Quite a lot of Christian theologians define evil as acting in a way contrary to the will of God. While a pretty tenuous position in itself (but that's another topic), it does seem to equate 'evil' with 'sin'.

If anything qualifies as a sin in the Christian worldview, disobedience to God certainly does. Since no sin can conceivably be a 'good' act, and since evil is the antithesis of good, then by sinning through disobedience, Adam committed an evil act. QED.

Boru

(March 19, 2016 at 4:06 am)Mancunian Wrote:

(March 18, 2016 at 6:30 pm)Godschild Wrote:

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I'm only going to warn you this last time either cut the foul language or I'll stop communicating with you, of course that would make you happy, I'm sure you're getting tired of being put in your place.

Where does the Bible say that Adam committed evil, he sinned against God through disobedience and was punished for that disobedience. I showed you in an earlier post on this thread that Adam and Eve knew it was wrong to disobey God and that there were consequences to that disobedience. Once again you show your ignorance of scripture.

GC

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Anyone who believes snakes can talk, are not really in a position to put anyone in their place.

Anyone who believes life came from a muddy soup, has no ground to stand on.

GC

(March 19, 2016 at 1:58 pm)Godschild Wrote: Anyone who believes life came from a muddy soup, has no ground to stand on.

GC

That's a great point!

Anyone who believes that we came from a muddy soup (God taking Dirt, and turning it into a man) has no ground to stand on at all.  I couldn't agree more.

And to believe woman came from a rib?  That's not even possible.

(March 19, 2016 at 1:58 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(March 19, 2016 at 4:06 am)Mancunian Wrote: Anyone who believes snakes can talk, are not really in a position to put anyone in their place.

Anyone who believes life came from a muddy soup, has no ground to stand on.

GC

Do you ever get a boner?

(March 19, 2016 at 12:59 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

Quote:Where does the Bible say that Adam committed evil, he sinned against God through disobedience and was punished for that disobedience.

Quite a lot of Christian theologians define evil as acting in a way contrary to the will of God.  While a pretty tenuous position in itself (but that's another topic), it does seem to equate 'evil' with 'sin'.  

If anything qualifies as a sin in the Christian worldview, disobedience to God certainly does.  Since no sin can conceivably be a 'good' act, and since evil is the antithesis of good, then by sinning through disobedience, Adam committed an evil act. QED.

Boru

I might believe that Adams disobedience was the worst thing that's ever happened to mankind but, Adam knew not evil, so he could not have committed evil. This is the whole idea behind what happened as far as this argument goes. I agree some sin is evil, the Bible says so, however not all sin is evil. For example, if I kill my boss without reason I've done evil, if I disobey my boss I've committed a wrong. Yes it could be argued that all sin is evil but, I personally do not believe so from my studies of the Bible.

GC

(March 19, 2016 at 2:00 pm)Cecelia Wrote:

(March 19, 2016 at 1:58 pm)Godschild Wrote: Anyone who believes life came from a muddy soup, has no ground to stand on.

GC

That's a great point!

Anyone who believes that we came from a muddy soup (God taking Dirt, and turning it into a man) has no ground to stand on at all.  I couldn't agree more.

And to believe woman came from a rib?  That's not even possible.

Nothings impossible with God.

GC

(March 19, 2016 at 1:53 am)Nihilist Virus Wrote:

(March 18, 2016 at 10:42 pm)Godschild Wrote: I've said nothing stupid, I'm trying to show you your mistakes. Yes whee does the Bible say Adam committed evil in the Garden. You're the one who said he did you're the one who needs to show what the Bible says he did in the Garden. I'm telling you the Bible says he disobeyed God. You're looking to have your cake and eat it and it ain't happening.


I'm not wrong, prove where the Bible says Adam committed evil in the Garden.

GC

Jeremiah 18:10 says,

"If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them."

So disobedience to God is evil.

Adam and Eve disobeyed God by eating the forbidden fruit, therefore they committed evil, but they were unaware of good and evil before having eaten of the fruit (as I showed above in huge letters).  Therefore they were punished for actions which they did not comprehend.

So as I said originally,

Adam and Eve did not know the difference between good and evil

They were then punished for committing evil

Well you brought a good verse, unfortunately for you it doesn't apply to Adam and Eve or any individual. Do you know what the 'it' is in the verse, I doubt you do or you wouldn't have brought this verse to the argument. This verse as the rest in chapter 18 were about Israel and the rights God has dealing with it. Israel was doing all sorts of evil against God, their disobedience against God included idol worship, sexual immorality, badly mistreating their fellow man, sacrificing to other gods and ect. God told them in this very chapter He would tear them down and then rebuild them. You've taken a verse that came thousands of years after Adam one meant for a evil nation and applied it to a situation that is not the same, here's why. When a child disobeys it's parent and that child doesn't understand what sin is God doesn't hold that against the child, Adam and Eve knew not evil so evil was not held against them, disobedience was. It was definitely a terrible case of disobedience because all of mankind suffers because of that act but, it was not evil, one has to know evil to commit evil, period. You failed to prove Adam committed evil, God never said Adam committed an evil act. The worse thing Adam did was to shun God's love and showed no respect for Him.
So take your checkmate and apply it to yourself or someone else.

GC

(March 19, 2016 at 2:14 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(March 19, 2016 at 2:00 pm)Cecelia Wrote: That's a great point!

Anyone who believes that we came from a muddy soup (God taking Dirt, and turning it into a man) has no ground to stand on at all.  I couldn't agree more.

And to believe woman came from a rib?  That's not even possible.

Nothings impossible with God.

GC

Now all you need to do is show that your fucking god is 'possible.'

Good luck....you're gonna need it!