(March 21, 2016 at 2:09 am)Kitan Wrote: Studies in religious history shows that Christianity is first and foremost the last in the Judeo-Christian line.

Meaning that Christianity is the newest monotheistic god religion today.

Before monotheism became popular with society, there were around sixteen cultures that believed in the same characteristics in a god figure that Christianity describes in Jesus.

such as (asking for a list of the 16)

(March 21, 2016 at 2:40 am)Kitan Wrote:

(March 21, 2016 at 2:31 am)Panatheist Wrote: Islam is both monotheistic (and in a stricter more literal sense of affirming God's oneness) and newer than the various Christianities.

When you say about sixteen cultures "believed in the same characteristics in a god figure that Christianity describes in Jesus," are you specifically referring to virgin births, resurrections, and the like?  Do you have any links?

Sorry, I was not thinking properly.  You are correct, Christianity is the middle child with the Judeo-Christian family.  Islam is the newest, and will most likely be the most problematic even though that role is usually reserved for the oldest.

And in accordance with your second reference, I do have links.

And okay, I got the number wrong.  I'm only human.

Sixteen is not correct.

Ten it is.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unreasonabl...ate-jesus/
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

None on the lists are montheistic gods

(March 21, 2016 at 12:54 pm)Drich Wrote:

(March 21, 2016 at 2:40 am)Kitan Wrote: Sorry, I was not thinking properly.  You are correct, Christianity is the middle child with the Judeo-Christian family.  Islam is the newest, and will most likely be the most problematic even though that role is usually reserved for the oldest.

And in accordance with your second reference, I do have links.

And okay, I got the number wrong.  I'm only human.

Sixteen is not correct.

Ten it is.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unreasonabl...ate-jesus/
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

None on the lists are montheistic gods

An excellent example of missing the forest for the trees. Of course they aren't going to match up 100%. What did you expect? If they matched up 100%, they would then be worshiping or venerating those specific figures. D'oh!

Am I alone thinking the inquiry in the OP is oddly timed in view of another imminent Easter with chocolate bunnies, gaily colored eggs, and bizarro cellophane grass crowding Jesus out of the picture ??

Jörmungandr Wrote:

(March 21, 2016 at 12:54 pm)Drich Wrote: None on the lists are montheistic gods

An excellent example of missing the forest for the trees.  Of course they aren't going to match up 100%.  What did you expect?  If they matched up 100%, they would then be worshiping or venerating those specific figures.  D'oh!

Seriously Jor-ge? You be slipp'n.

Let's look at what Kitan said:

(March 21, 2016 at 2:09 am)Kitan Wrote: Studies in religious history shows that Christianity is first and foremost the last in the Judeo-Christian line.

Meaning that Christianity is the newest monotheistic god religion today.

Before monotheism became popular with society, there were around sixteen cultures that believed in the same characteristics in a god figure that Christianity describes in Jesus.

"studies have shown:"

Last in the Line Of Judeo Christian religions.. Which I believe the term 'Kite' was going for was "Judaicly based religions" Which as pointed out by the OP Islam supposedly is.

Then she/he made the claim it was the Newest Monotheistic religion: which again is false as Islam is several hundred years newer.

Then finally her/his third point was to claim 16 cultures (then shifted to 10) that believe in the Same Characteristics that Christianity ascribes to Jesus. First and foremost Jesus is God. There is only one God as per the Bible that Teaches us about Jesus. therefore the primary attribute of Christ lays claim that He is a monotheistic deity.

Me pointing out that none of the gods on that list are monotheistic in nature (or not even a god) sets Christ miles apart from any thing else anyone wants to ascribe to his nature. This is Kitan's 3rd and final failure. Now that said if you wish to discuss the over exaggerated comparisons that were made on the blogger site.. then bring up the ones you wish to discuss. We can shoot them down one at a time as well.

Drippy you are in over your head...as you are with everything beyond finger painting.

Let Richard Carrier explain your own fucking bullshit to you.

Quote:All mystery religions centered on a central savior deity (literally calledthe soter, 'the savior', which is essentially the meaning of the word 'Jesus',
as explained in Chapter 6, §3), always a son of god (or occasionally a daughter of god), who underwent some sort of suffering (enduring some
sort of trial or ordeal) by which they procured salvation for all who participate in their cult (their deed of torment having given them dominion over
death). These deaths or trials were l itera11y ca11ed a 'passion' (patheon, lit.'sufferings'), exactly as in Christianity.78 Sometimes this 'passion' was an
actual death and resurrection (Osiris); sometimes it was some kind of terrible labor defeating the forces of death (Mithras), or variations thereof. All
mystery religions had an initiation ritual in which the congregant symbolically reenacts what the god endured (1ike Christian baptism: Rom. 6.3-4;
Col. 2. 1 2), thus sharing in the salvation the god had achieved (Gal. 3.27; 1 Cor. 1 2. 1 3), and all involve a ritual meal that unites initiated members in
communion with one another and their god (I Cor. 1 1 .23-28). All of these features are fundamental to Christianity, yet equally fundamental to all the
mystery cults that were extremely popular in the very era that Christianity arose.79 The coincidence of all of these features together lin ing up this way
is simply too im probable to propose as just an accident.

Notably all the mystery religions were products of the same sort of cultural syncretism. The Eleusinian mysteries were a syncretism of Levantine and
Hellenistic elements; the mysteries of Attis and Cybele were a syncretism of Phrygian and Hellenistic elements; the mysteries of Jupiter Dolichenus were
a syncretism of Anatolian and Hellenistic elements; Mithraism was a syncretism of Persian and Hellenistic elements; the mysteries of Isis and Osiris
were a syncretism of Egyptian and Hellenistic elements. Christianity is simply a continuation of the same trend: a syncretism of Jewish and Hellenistic
elements. Each of these cults is unique and different from all the others in  nearly every detail-but it's the general features they all share in common
that reflect the overall fad that produced them in the first place, the very features that made them popular and successful within Greco-Roman culture.

On the Historicity of Jesus  Pg 98-100

Go Blow Jesus Out Your Ass.

(March 21, 2016 at 12:39 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(March 21, 2016 at 12:13 pm)Panatheist Wrote: I don't say there is no truth to it.  I'm still looking for information on it I can trust.  But not everything out there on this subject is even accurate.  Having not found anything better I'm inclined to agree with above post's "nope" unless until I come across something, but I made no claim.  And I wouldn't say no elements were borrowed from paganism at all.  That would be ignorant.  I'm referring specifically to the idea that most miraculous events in Jesus' life were copied from pagan gods.

I think that would be expecting too much of syncretism without harming the core claim, that Christianity borrowed from pagan beliefs.

There are elements of syncretism, sure.  But I'm trying to find verification on specific elements as per the original post.

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(March 21, 2016 at 1:42 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Am I alone thinking the inquiry in the OP is oddly timed in view of another imminent Easter with chocolate bunnies, gaily colored eggs, and bizarro cellophane grass  crowding Jesus out of the picture ??

Those are not the elements I asked about in the OP.  The above post on mystery religions is more pertinent.

Here:  Enjoy this.

http://www.earlychristianhistory.info/mystrel.html

Expect some of our resident jesus shits to blow a gasket but we can't worry about them.  They're all assholes anyway.

What I mean, Drippy, since you clearly always seem to misunderstand anything that is too complicated for your tiny brain, is that Jesus Christ as described in the Christian religion was mirrored after gods from cultures prior to the invention of Christianity. There were other "Christ"-like figures prior to Jesus and the attributes they share shows that Christianity has always had quite the propensity for incorporation merely for the means of easier conversion.

(March 21, 2016 at 1:49 pm)Drich Wrote: Me pointing out that none of the gods on that list are monotheistic in nature (or not even a god) sets Christ miles apart from any thing else anyone wants to ascribe to his nature.

Only in your dreams, sweet cheeks. Again, forest, trees.