(March 26, 2016 at 5:09 pm)abaris Wrote:

(March 26, 2016 at 5:01 pm)scoobysnack Wrote: All you have to do is put it on in the background while doing something else, almost like listening to a book. I've listened to many hours of testimonials. Abductions are not something I'm interested in really. I'm more interested in the retrieval of vehicles and species.

So, come on - tell me about time, space and the speed of light. Tell me, how any species should beat what we, far as we know, consider an absolute. Tell me, how they should handle the acceleration problem, if they were that advanced to be able to construct faster than light vehicles. Tell me, how all of this should have happened within a few billion years, given that the evolutionary process was the same as on mother earth. Tell me also, what we are seeing, when looking at distant galaxies. What time is it exactly? Feel free to consult the watch of your choice.

I honestly don't have the expertise to explain it properly, and have only heard hints about it, but not the details. It has something to do with using gravity to move through it freely without being affected by the gforces used through traditional propulsion systems. I'm not involved in any special access programs. All I have it those that have come forward to talk about it. This might explain the gravitational aspect of it. It's about rethinking what's possible, not limiting to what we think is possible. Only a half hour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zdr-0QE-kN4

I'm not interested in what Steven Greer has to say. He's got no expertise either. So, come on. Time, space, speed of light, gravitational forces. Can't be that hard now, can it?

(March 27, 2016 at 7:49 pm)abaris Wrote: I'm not interested in what Steven Greer has to say. He's got no expertise either. So, come on. Time, space, speed of light, gravitational forces. Can't be that hard now, can it?

Don't pretend to know much in detail. Guessing your are getting at Einsteins relativity. Using the speed of light that is measured the same by all observers, and due to length contraction causing an object to get shorter the faster it travels towards the speed of light. And then the time dilation that time is relative in space time. So everything in space is travling through space and time at the same rate. And I don't remember if time speeds up or down on the moving object compared to the stationary object it's measured with. As far as going faster then the speed of light, you could travel backwards in time, maybe? I'm ready to be schooled in this, and I'm not being sarcastic. This is all very interesting to me and I'd like to learn more.

Just imagine if light traveled slower towards the speed of sound. How would anything work. Everything you looked at would be in a different place, I guess exactly what happens when we look into space, where the light that reaches our eyes, isn't where the object in that moment of time.

If the X-files have taught me anything it's that "the truth is out there", that is, it's out there to be found either way with the proper evidence.

I'm open to the possibility of alien life, but thus far I don't believe we've had contact or that there's a conspiracy covering one up for that matter.

(March 27, 2016 at 8:27 pm)scoobysnack Wrote: Don't pretend to know much in detail. Guessing your are getting at Einsteins relativity.

I don't pretend anything. I'm not qualified, but I know the speed of light being an absolute. I also know the gravitational forces involved when accelerating and how time itself bends when approaching the speed of light.

I also know that, if we look at (possibly) habitable planets, we're looking at some 1000 years ago. At the very least, which by the way would be the time any craft travelling at the speed of light would fly until it reaches us.

So, kindly shove Steven Greer and his absurdities. Shove all the loonies too, who claim to have been abducted or seen something they couldn't explain. Physics stands against them with a vengeance.

(March 27, 2016 at 8:40 pm)abaris Wrote:

(March 27, 2016 at 8:27 pm)scoobysnack Wrote: Don't pretend to know much in detail. Guessing your are getting at Einsteins relativity.

I don't pretend anything. I'm not qualified, but I know the speed of light being an absolute. I also know the gravitational forces involved when accelerating and how time itself bends when approaching the speed of light.

I also know that, if we look at (possibly) habitable planets, we're looking at some 1000 years ago. At the very least, which by the way would be the time any craft travelling at the speed of light would fly until it reaches us.

So, kindly shove Steven Greer and his absurdities. Shove all the loonies too, who claim to have been abducted or seen something they couldn't explain. Physics stands against them with a vengeance.

I meant that I don't pretend to know much in detail regarding the theory of relativity.

You are not saying that humans are the most advanced species in the close solar systems are you, or if we are not, other species could only be slightly more advanced based on the habitable planets we have found. Well that is possible actually, but that's assuming we have found the habitable planets, yet we are still searching. We have only been searching for a small time in the big scheme of things here. I disagree that more advanced life can't exist close to us, considering what the military is reporting based on recovered craft. You also haven't given much explanation as to why you think the government whistleblowers that have documented everything are nonexistant, lying, or not credible. I hope it's not because you think science doesn't support much more then what the public has access to. I assume you have never listened to any witness testimony, right? Never listened to those who recorded on radar craft moving beyond anything humanly possibly, or beyond that right? Seems to be closed minded. You seem to be basing a lot on what is understood, not what the governments are working on, that these people are talking about or what has been recorded. We can't backwards engineer a lot of it, but it's been recorded as to have happened at minimum on radar.

One interesting thing is that supposedly buildings/structures were discovered on the side of the moon that doesn't face earth. If traveling such vast distances through space is inconceivable, perhaps they have created a base on the moon to keep an eye on us. Problem is that is hearsay, but one of the things talked about by people that worked at NASA. Too bad you will not listen to anyone in the videos I've posted.

So here's Stan Deyo that worked on antigravity on aircraft. Explanation starts at 12:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZElFonCL8g

(March 27, 2016 at 8:40 pm)abaris Wrote: I also know that, if we look at (possibly) habitable planets, we're looking at some 1000 years ago. At the very least, which by the way would be the time any craft travelling at the speed of light would fly until it reaches us.

FWIW this is only true from an external frame of reference. In the (near) light speed traveller's frame of reference the hypothetical trip would take substantially less time - orders of magnitude less -due to time dilation, if it were possible at all.

(Don't misunderstand, I'm not defending the OP. Just pointing out that relativistic travel is not quite what you're implying.)

Quote:Problem is that is hearsay, but one of the things talked about by people that worked at NASA. Too bad you will not listen to anyone in the videos I've posted.

Why should we listen to them? It is, as you said, hearsay. Suppose I get 50 of my friends together and we hold our own press conference. Each of my friends is willing to testify that they have never seen an alien spacecraft, seen an ET, been abducted, or have any reason to believe that 'aliens are among us'.

If the video that opened this thread is to be taken as evidence of alien visitation, then a video made of my press conference should have equal weight in refuting that evidence.

Boru

(March 30, 2016 at 6:36 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

Quote:Problem is that is hearsay, but one of the things talked about by people that worked at NASA. Too bad you will not listen to anyone in the videos I've posted.

Why should we listen to them?  It is, as you said, hearsay.  Suppose I get 50 of my friends together and we hold our own press conference.  Each of my friends is willing to testify that they have never seen an alien spacecraft, seen an ET, been abducted, or have any reason to believe that 'aliens are among us'.

If the video that opened this thread is to be taken as evidence of alien visitation, then a video made of my press conference should have equal weight in refuting that evidence.

Boru

Because the governments official policy is to keep this secret, so unless you will listen to whistle blowers you will not be finding out any time soon. As far as your press conference, who are you, and do you have any classified clearance levels in special access projects for the military or government? Also a lot of what they are saying documented with radar tapes, and other documents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XjS4I4oQDY