(April 15, 2016 at 12:01 pm)Goosebump Wrote: Regardless of everything you just said, you don't prop up a guy who is barrel bombing his civilian population. You take him out. If your looking for a perfect solution your being naive. It's a mess. That's clear. It's all bad choices. That doesn't mean you should sit back and allow it to happen.

First, we only take out bad guys if it's in our interests. Otherwise Saudi regime change would have been on our agenda for the last four to five decades. Secondly, I'm not looking for the perfect solution, I'm looking at the realistic option of not creating yet another terrorist hotspot by removing a secular leader.

(April 15, 2016 at 12:10 pm)abaris Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 12:01 pm)Goosebump Wrote: Regardless of everything you just said, you don't prop up a guy who is barrel bombing his civilian population. You take him out. If your looking for a perfect solution your being naive. It's a mess. That's clear. It's all bad choices. That doesn't mean you should sit back and allow it to happen.

First, we only take out bad guys if it's in our interests. Otherwise Saudi regime change would have been on our agenda for the last four to five decades. Secondly, I'm not looking for the perfect solution, I'm looking at the realistic option of not creating yet another terrorist hotspot by removing a secular leader.

Lets not misuse the word "secular" here. Saddam was a Muslim combined with his Baathist party he ruled. Secular does not mean "godless" it means not playing favorites. He played favorites to one sect. One party political states are also not secular. There was video of him walking to the gallows saying "Allah Akbar". 

A section of a population is sectarian, and can be a section of political views or religious views or both. North Korea is a sectarian state, Iran is a sectarian state. Europe and America are secular, meaning protecting both religious and political diversity.

But it is true, we cant take out all the countries we don't share views with. I'd love to get rid of Iran and Saudi Arabia and North Korea, and while China is not the cold war China it used to be, it's not anywhere as free as the west comparatively. 

"Secular" means neutral, anti monopoly.

"Sectarian" can be either rule by one political section or religious section of a population or even a combo of both.

Think we are off on a tangent here when the main issue is what a huge troll Dirch is.

(April 15, 2016 at 3:23 pm)Goosebump Wrote: Think we are off on a tangent here when the main issue is what a huge troll Dirch is.

Just ignorant, as usual. He never thinks through the consequences, which sadly is also true for many politicians.

I don't like Drich's threads because I don't like Drich.

At all.

(April 15, 2016 at 11:29 am)Drich Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 8:58 am)Brian37 Wrote: You hate Obama so much? Obama's judgement is bad? 

Bush back peddled after this.....

http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4485932/bush-trusts-putin

So your saying the Putin of 2016 is the Putin of 2005???

In truth what I was saying was the world see Obama as a punk, he is a joke of a world leader, he is an emperor who is wearing 'magical cloths' that only Europeans can see. and everyone else sees a push over because of our failures in dealing with the middle east, the bad iran deal, our impotence against north Korea, our folding against the Castro regim's will, makes the rest of the (anti freedom) world see an opportunity to turn up and push their will onto their neighbors because the US is with drawing on all fronts.

North Korea fired another medium range "dong" rocket in defiance to US sanctions. Why? because what is anyone going to do?

No, I am saying you on every subject are delusional.

Obama is nothing like Bush, he is pragmatic not emotional and would not care if you wanted to have a beer with him. Bush was a drama queen and wanted to prove himself to daddy. 

Obama lives in reality, Bush didn't.

(April 15, 2016 at 12:01 pm)Goosebump Wrote:

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Might just be that Putin is a bit more realistic over that assclown Assad. But I'm waiting for you, of course, to tell me which of the different rebel groups in Syria are the better choice. Purely from a western perspective. We know very much about them and what they are ultimately up to, don't we?

We usually do when we're going for regime change. Iraq and Afghanistan have turned into shiny beacons of democracy after all.[/hide]

Quote:Regardless of everything you just said, you don't prop up a guy who is barrel bombing his civilian population. You take him out. If your looking for a perfect solution your being naive. It's a mess. That's clear. It's all bad choices. That doesn't mean you should sit back and allow it to happen.

Did any foreign leaders take out any of our Presidents when they were lynching our fellow black citizens and shooting them down in the streets everyday?  Why do you expect our leaders to worry about the welfare of foreigners on the other side of the world when they engage in atrocities against their fellow citizens here in the US?

(April 15, 2016 at 6:14 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Did any foreign leaders take out any of our Presidents when they were lynching our fellow black citizens and shooting them down in the streets everyday?  Why do you expect our leaders to worry about the welfare of foreigners on the other side of the world when they engage in atrocities against their fellow citizens here in the US?

Again this is a red-herring to the thread. If you really wana discuss this then create a thread about it. Don't try and Hijack. I'll go twelve rounds with you on this but not here. So if you really care make the thread, or if you don't really give a shit and are just trolling then you know.

(April 15, 2016 at 4:12 pm)Evie Wrote: I don't like Drich's threads because I don't like Drich.

Yet you can't look away.. Even when you have nothing topically to say you find some way to check in. Good for you!