No, I don't think it was Theon. I had some Northern lord in mind. And the story about the man who turned into a rat and ate his young... I don't know what the hell I'm imagining, but I'll read the books again and find out I suppose.

It was from "The Prince of Winterfell" in ADWD from Theon's POV.

It was the story (I believe) of the rat who violated guest rights and was fed his young.

Lord Manderly was telling the story while enjoying three huge meat pies. A funny thing happened on the way from White Harbor, though. Three Freys happened to disappear...

(April 18, 2016 at 6:41 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: It was from "The Prince of Winterfell" in ADWD from Theon's POV.

It was the story (I believe) of the rat who violated guest rights and was fed his young.

Oh hey, I know that rat reference!

(I finished the third book I'm not exactly caught up but I'm making progress)

I don't really have anything to add until the show starts....

(April 18, 2016 at 11:40 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote:

(April 18, 2016 at 6:41 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: It was from "The Prince of Winterfell" in ADWD from Theon's POV.

It was the story (I believe) of the rat who violated guest rights and was fed his young.

Oh hey, I know that rat reference!

(I finished the third book I'm not exactly caught up but I'm making progress)

I don't really have anything to add until the show starts....

I'm always curious of show watchers reading the books. Was the Red Wedding still a crazy experience? For me, never having seen an episode, I have never been so anguished whilst reading. I had to buy another copy for my set because I broke the spine when I threw it at my door.

(April 17, 2016 at 9:56 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: One question, who knows and would set the record straight?

Aerys and Joanna are both dead. Tywin is dead. Everyone but Ser Barristan Selmy on Aerys' Kingsguard is dead. Who else could know the truth?
It could be Barristan Selmy in the books, but he's dead in the series, and if Weiss and Benioff know the ending, would they have killed off the only person that could possibly relay the truth?

Sorry if I missed someone answering, but in the books it was implied it was Jojen's father who knew the truth. In the tv show it could be Selmey or even Jojen through his father. Or maybe Bran will learn it during time travel tree god training. Really, they could do it so many ways.

I've read the books.

I just want to see what they decide to do with the show.

(April 19, 2016 at 12:16 am)SteelCurtain Wrote:

(April 18, 2016 at 11:40 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote: Oh hey, I know that rat reference!

(I finished the third book I'm not exactly caught up but I'm making progress)

I don't really have anything to add until the show starts....

I'm always curious of show watchers reading the books. Was the Red Wedding still a crazy experience? For me, never having seen an episode, I have never been so anguished whilst reading. I had to buy another copy for my set because I broke the spine when I threw it at my door.

Haha!
I was reading on my phone and all hell broke loose at the turn of a page... Never have I read the same turn of page so many times.
First, I was thinking that the file was missing something...
Then, what is that thing Catelyn discovers on Roose Bolton?
Then, wth?!
Then... Keep reading and it may make sense.

(April 19, 2016 at 1:45 am)Aroura Wrote:

(April 17, 2016 at 9:56 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: One question, who knows and would set the record straight?

Aerys and Joanna are both dead. Tywin is dead. Everyone but Ser Barristan Selmy on Aerys' Kingsguard is dead. Who else could know the truth?
It could be Barristan Selmy in the books, but he's dead in the series, and if Weiss and Benioff know the ending, would they have killed off the only person that could possibly relay the truth?

Sorry if I missed someone answering, but in the books it was implied it was Jojen's father who knew the truth. In the tv show it could be Selmey or even Jojen through his father. Or maybe Bran will learn it during time travel tree god training. Really, they could do it so many ways.

Oh Howland Reed would tell of Jon's parentage, but I was specifically talking about if Tyrion was really a Targaryen, who could even say so?

(April 19, 2016 at 12:16 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: I'm always curious of show watchers reading the books. Was the Red Wedding still a crazy experience? For me, never having seen an episode, I have never been so anguished whilst reading. I had to buy another copy for my set because I broke the spine when I threw it at my door.

I had that experience watching the show so it was just different. In the show you hear the music start, then see Catelyn discover Bolton's mail under his tunic, and then shit goes down - and then see Arya so hopeful just outside the gates as the guys come out to kill Greywind.

I felt gutted by that whole scene.

But I knew it was coming in the books so it wasn't as enormous an experience for sure.

It's one of those things where you can't really appreciate the experience the book reader had reading it for the first time just like you can't really appreciate the show watcher's experience seeing it for the first time (one who hasn't read the books). I don't feel like I was cheated of a really dramatic moment from the books because I got the really dramatic moment from the show.

(April 19, 2016 at 12:16 am)SteelCurtain Wrote:

(April 18, 2016 at 11:40 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote: Oh hey, I know that rat reference!

(I finished the third book I'm not exactly caught up but I'm making progress)

I don't really have anything to add until the show starts....

I'm always curious of show watchers reading the books. Was the Red Wedding still a crazy experience? For me, never having seen an episode, I have never been so anguished whilst reading. I had to buy another copy for my set because I broke the spine when I threw it at my door.

I remember watching but a few episodes of GoT when I realized, there's a set of books?! Fuck this, I have to read those first.

Indeed, the Red Wedding was an incredibly powerful scene to read.