(April 20, 2016 at 10:23 am)Stimbo Wrote: Call it wishful thinking. I still need some hope for the future of the species.

Well again, the evolutionary reality is that our species is BOTH good and bad. But, considering our history of progress we still have become more civil, in lots of parts of the planet, so we do have it in us. It is still up to humans what we choose to do.

My sentiments exactly.

(April 20, 2016 at 10:52 am)Stimbo Wrote: My sentiments exactly.

Fuck, so you're telling me I cant force the world to listen to ABBA 24/7?

(April 20, 2016 at 11:40 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(April 20, 2016 at 10:52 am)Stimbo Wrote: My sentiments exactly.

Fuck, so you're telling me I cant force the world to listen to ABBA 24/7?

I assure you it would be a short-lived dictatorship and wouldn't end well.

(April 20, 2016 at 9:07 am)Drich Wrote:

(April 19, 2016 at 7:15 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: Gee, Dripshit, really?  Have you been trolling this forum for so long and have failed to notice that most of us were raised in the church?  Protestant Evangelical here, for over 45 years.  Many of us were also whipped and beaten as children.  I was sent to the hospital a few times because I failed to recite my before-dinner wholly babble verses correctly.  So your Proverbs 22:6 has as much worth as the rest of that SICK twisted, moronic, evil book: it's total bullshit.   I wouldn't insult my cat by lining her litter box with its pages.

Again opertive word here is TRAIN. You were not trained you were beaten. For all the time you spent in the church (and where beaten) it doesn't seem to have help you understand the difference between training and a good olde' fashion beat down and what training is.

So then how can you honestly compare the two? or is that what your empathy play is supposed to do here? You publish a story that invokes an emotional response and I am change a core value because "i feel your pain." Again how is that an HONEST look at what is being said, or is it not supposed to be?

And, perhaps you took offense at my taking offense, but you dodged the point entirely.  I know that my experience is on the extreme side of violent right-wing fundie.  I'm objecting to your use of Proverbs 22:6.  The fact that the vast majority of atheists here were raised Christian (and most in loving families and established churches of all denominations) disproves the verse.  It's not accurate.  We were "started off in the way we should go" (NIV) or "trained up" (KJV) and it didn't take.  The brainwashing failed for many and varied reasons.
We are living proof that "he will not depart from it" is false.  Sure, you can do the "no true scotsman" crap and say that we weren't properly trained, or proper christians, or never were believers, but that's also a lie.

(April 20, 2016 at 9:10 am)Drich Wrote: Not what I said.. No where in what I said did I say I'll always know how they will turn out. The fact that I said "if they turn out Gay..." Speaks to this. What I'm saying is I know who they will be meaning I know the core values in which I trained them with will only yield one type of person no matter the particulars of the situation.

Here's what you wrote:

(April 19, 2016 at 6:01 pm)Drich Wrote: When you train a child to be a man or woman. You will always know how they will turn out. To you there are only variables when you look at a child's future. When I look I too see variables, but I also know who he will be in those variables/situations.

I have emphasized where you write exactly what you deny writing.

How many children have you raised?

(April 20, 2016 at 9:24 am)Drich Wrote:

(April 20, 2016 at 9:16 am)Crossless1 Wrote: Just curious, Drich, but how many children do you have that you are 'training'?

More than 1

Do you take baseball bats to them? Perhaps you hold their heads under water?

Let's hope zero is more than one in Drich maths.

(April 20, 2016 at 11:42 am)Crossless1 Wrote:

(April 20, 2016 at 11:40 am)Brian37 Wrote: Fuck, so you're telling me I cant force the world to listen to ABBA 24/7?

I assure you it would be a short-lived dictatorship and wouldn't end well.

He he, yep, probably would be, stick me in a metal bar cage, drench me in gas, and set me on fire. Mob, "We didn't hate you until you forced us to listen to Dancing Queen for the billionth time!"

(April 20, 2016 at 12:22 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(April 20, 2016 at 9:24 am)Drich Wrote: More than 1

Do you take baseball bats to them? Perhaps you hold their heads under water?

At what point does Drich decide that it's too much? How does he decide how much to punish them?