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(April 21, 2016 at 1:37 pm)abaris Wrote:

(April 21, 2016 at 1:35 pm)Ivan Denisovich Wrote: But it is not new phenomenon catholicism was on the rise since transformation one could say. Clergy worked fast which is evidenced by signing concordat in 1993.

I'm aware of that. I consider that a backclash from the days when religion was the forbidden fruit and one of the few ways to show disagreement with the regime.

The thing is that religion wasn't forbidden fruit and church was not oppressed or at least it didn't look like clergy claims it looked like. If history books I read aren't wrong in this church could speak about oppression only till 1956, after that date there were clashes with occasional outbursts.

For example during the years 1975-1990 over 1500 churches were built. It hardly speak of hardships that church allegedly suffered.

(April 21, 2016 at 1:48 pm)Ivan Denisovich Wrote: The thing is that religion wasn't forbidden fruit and church was not oppressed or at least it didn't look like clergy claims it looked like. If history books I read aren't wrong in this church could speak about oppression only till 1956, after that date there were clashes with occasional outbursts.

For example during the years 1975-1990 over 1500 churches were built. It hardly speak of hardships that church allegedly suffered.

Yes, I remember when John Paul the Slimeball visited Poland. But still, the regime didn't endorse religion, so it was one expression against the regime. Same as with East Germany, where the churches were at the forefront of dissidents. That changed to a breeding ground for neonazis there, but still, fomer communist countries seem to equate religion with freedom. More than the former West is used to.

(April 21, 2016 at 1:52 pm)abaris Wrote:

(April 21, 2016 at 1:48 pm)Ivan Denisovich Wrote: The thing is that religion wasn't forbidden fruit and church was not oppressed or at least it didn't look like clergy claims it looked like. If history books I read aren't wrong in this church could speak about oppression only till 1956, after that date there were clashes with occasional outbursts.

For example during the years 1975-1990 over 1500 churches were built. It hardly speak of hardships that church allegedly suffered.

Yes, I remember when John Paul the Slimeball visited Poland. But still, the regime didn't endorse religion, so it was one expression against the regime. Same as with East Germany, where the churches were at the forefront of dissidents. That changed to a breeding ground for neonazis there, but still, fomer communist countries seem to equate religion with freedom. More than the former West is used to.

If you put this that way then I have to agree.

There is certain logic in such equation though - if church was seen as opposing force to authoritarian regime that mean it was pro liberty. Fact that church was only concerned with it's own well-being and not above collaborating with the state seems escaping the notice of casual observer. Such observer saw church as last oasis of freedom then and now when "golden liberty" is threatened by eurocrats or other "known enemies" situation is the same.

I get really pissed when I have an itch between my shoulder blades that I can't reach and have to get up and go scratch it against a door molding.  If I thought 'god' did it I'd go burn down a church but since there is no god I figure its just an itch.  Shit happens.

Just the overall backwards mentality of a culture that believes we should worship someone without question, while living in a country where the people in power are supposed to serve the public. It's like there's no real reason to care this much about something as outdated as religion anymore, but the hooks are so deep that people are willing to commit or incite violence over it. It's 2016, and there are people alive today that think their religion should trump equality.

The relative lack of conservative atheists.

The following phrases from believers never fail to get on my tits:

-'If you don't believe in God, then you don't believe in anything.' (But when I reply, 'So, if you believe in god, you believe in everything?' their mouths seem to wag about and they make sounds like 'urk'.

-'Well, if you'd just read the Bible...' (Then call me a liar when I insist I have read it.)

-'Oh, yeah? Well God doesn't believe in YOU, either!!' (Have to admit - this one leaves me stumped for a reply.)

-'Evolution can't work because of the second law of thermodynamics.' (Proving in one breath that they don't understand both basic biology and basic physics.)

Boru

One of the things that angers the most are parents that refuse medical treatment for their children because they believe Jesus will heal them if they pray hard enough. The other thing that pisses me off is that this abominable practice is perfectly legal in most states here in the U.S.

It's one thing to be dumb enough to refuse medical treatment, but when you drag your innocent children into your stupidity, it makes my blood boil

(April 21, 2016 at 3:13 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The following phrases from believers never fail to get on my tits:

-'If you don't believe in God, then you don't believe in anything.' (But when I reply, 'So, if you believe in god, you believe in everything?' their mouths seem to wag about and they make sounds like 'urk'.

-'Well, if you'd just read the Bible...' (Then call me a liar when I insist I have read it.)

-'Oh, yeah?  Well God doesn't believe in YOU, either!!' (Have to admit - this one leaves me stumped for a reply.)

-'Evolution can't work because of the second law of thermodynamics.' (Proving in one breath that they don't understand both basic biology and basic physics.)

Boru

The huge amount of "inspirational stories" on Facebook and the internet that have been proven false over and over.  And when you point out that the story in question was made up by some preacher, the xtians get mad at YOU.  I have been told many times "so what if it never happened, the message is TRUE!"  And when I ask why they feel the need to LIE to "bring people to Jesus" they get even more angry.      I figure they've been lying for at least 3,000 years . . . (just only recently on the internet where RUDE DISRESPECTFUL people like me can <gasp> fact-check the lies).