(April 22, 2016 at 1:52 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Ol' Pig Fucker Cameron's begged him to get involved because the stay campaign has about as much charisma as a concrete dildo. 

The irony of a US president advising us to stay a part of a project that strips us of our sovereignty is an absolute joke. Maybe if the US opened it's borders to Mexico and let the Canadians dictate its laws, they could patronise us about staying in the EU. As it is, Americans would never sign up to such a ludicrous political project if it involved their country.

I think you should leave, because 20th century history shows you can pretty much pull it off on your own.

NATO might also be worth leaving, who needs that collar around their neck?

It's pretty obvious unity never solved anything. Just causes more problems and headaches than it's worth.

It's fairly self evident you should leave.

Bella: That sounds pretty emotional to me. Even if Obama is being a duplicitous dick, which I don't know enough to comment on, his points are either valid or they are not. Attacking his character and motivations, or what the US would or would not do, are not rebuttals.

The idea of "sovereignty" is again more emotional than anything, in my opinion.

(April 22, 2016 at 1:52 pm)Napoléon Wrote:

(April 22, 2016 at 12:55 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: One things for certain, the American government shouldn't even be commenting on the brexit It's none of their business.

Sick of our country being the US's little bitch.

Barack Obama can go fuck himself.

Rule Britannia!

Ol' Pig Fucker Cameron's begged him to get involved because the stay campaign has about as much charisma as a concrete dildo. 

The irony of a US president advising us to stay a part of a project that strips us of our sovereignty is an absolute joke. Maybe if the US opened it's borders to Mexico and let the Canadians dictate its laws, they could patronise us about staying in the EU. As it is, Americans would never sign up to such a ludicrous political project if it involved their country.

This made me LOL literally (back when it had it's original meaning). I assume sarcasm. Well done sir. 

(April 23, 2016 at 3:25 am)Goosebump Wrote:

(April 22, 2016 at 1:52 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Ol' Pig Fucker Cameron's begged him to get involved because the stay campaign has about as much charisma as a concrete dildo. 

The irony of a US president advising us to stay a part of a project that strips us of our sovereignty is an absolute joke. Maybe if the US opened it's borders to Mexico and let the Canadians dictate its laws, they could patronise us about staying in the EU. As it is, Americans would never sign up to such a ludicrous political project if it involved their country.

This made me LOL literally (back when it had it's original meaning). I assume sarcasm. Well done sir. 

Pretty sure he's not being sarcastic.

(April 23, 2016 at 3:30 am)Bella Morte Wrote:

(April 23, 2016 at 3:25 am)Goosebump Wrote: This made me LOL literally (back when it had it's original meaning). I assume sarcasm. Well done sir. 

Pretty sure he's not being sarcastic.

Really? I mean the US was founded on that kind of crazy political unity with the states. The US is roughly something like 9.6m KM2, all of Europe with GB is not much more at 10.4m I really thought he meant it as a jest.

(April 23, 2016 at 3:33 am)Goosebump Wrote:

(April 23, 2016 at 3:30 am)Bella Morte Wrote: Pretty sure he's not being sarcastic.

Really? I mean the US was founded on that kind of crazy political unity with the states. The US is roughly something like 9.6m KM2, all of Europe with GB is not much more at 10.4m I really thought he meant it as a jest.

The EU is a little different compared to the US, but yeah I doubt that he was being sarcastic. It's early morning here so he will probably be on shortly.

Similarly, I think David Cameron is an untrustworthy piece of shit, and I'd never vote for having him in power. But that has no effect on whether or not leaving the EU is a good idea.

(April 23, 2016 at 3:41 am)Bella Morte Wrote:

(April 23, 2016 at 3:33 am)Goosebump Wrote: Really? I mean the US was founded on that kind of crazy political unity with the states. The US is roughly something like 9.6m KM2, all of Europe with GB is not much more at 10.4m I really thought he meant it as a jest.

The EU is a little different compared to the US, but yeah I doubt that he was being sarcastic. It's early morning here so he will probably be on shortly.

Thanks and good looking out Bella 

It's nearly 4am here and I'm on my 5th whisky.

(April 23, 2016 at 3:43 am)robvalue Wrote: Similarly, I think David Cameron is an untrustworthy piece of shit, and I'd never vote for having him in power. But that has no effect on whether or not leaving the EU is a good idea.

I don't know what I would class myself as politically. But I don't particularly like David Cameron either, he's never followed any of his promises. He couldn't give a shit about our citizens (hence our NHS and welfare system going down the bloody drain).

I don't think any politician in parliament is fit to lead the country at all. We need a strong leader who genuinely cares and doesn't fuck about. We also need someone who doesn't want to just lick the US's arse all the time.