(April 23, 2016 at 10:38 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote:

(April 23, 2016 at 9:56 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: Canon can't mean anything else but GRRM's books in this context, no matter what the differences between the show and the books, unless I'm missing something here. What exactly do you guys mean by canon?

Whether you like or not, the show has taken an authority because there are people who haven't and won't read the books. I agree that the books, in my mind, will always be canon. But if some majorly important plot difference takes place between the two mediums (like who is the ruler at the end), then there will be a debate. Whether or not the debate is settled in your head makes no difference. The debate will take place, and I, for one can see good arguments on both sides.

Oh, my bad, I misunderstood something. Yes, I agree, canon is whichever the fans think it to be.

I think that they could be treated as two separate entities in those cases where they differ from one another. I can hardly imagine a fan claiming something is just not right in the books because in the TV show, the "true" canon, that didn't happen. The opposite, on the other hand, can happen very often. Irregardless of this, I think it's just better not to compare them but to enjoy them(or not) for what they are on their own.

(April 23, 2016 at 10:57 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: The season has not even started and there are these many pages?  xD

There's another forum I frequent and there people talk about it all year long

One forum is enough for me, thank you very much.

(April 23, 2016 at 10:38 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Whether you like or not, the show has taken an authority because there are people who haven't and won't read the books. I agree that the books, in my mind, will always be canon. But if some majorly important plot difference takes place between the two mediums (like who is the ruler at the end), then there will be a debate. Whether or not the debate is settled in your head makes no difference. The debate will take place, and I, for one can see good arguments on both sides.

in terms of the original idea and the story, I say the books are canon but I do think there is such a thing as book canon and show canon. Just because something happens one way in the books doesn't mean it could or should happen that way in the show - characters are different, plots are a little different and you simply can't force them to be the same.

Someone brought up Harry Potter and that's a similar situation (with the obvious difference that the books were complete before the movies were). There is book canon and movie canon and it just so happens in that series that they could closely concide - but there are differences. Some differences are necessary (limiting lengths of speeches that deliver exposition), some were a lot of fun (the shrunken head in the Azkaban movie, the flight through London in the Phoenix movie...), some are unnecessary (moving the book 7 scene between Snape and Voldemort to the boathouse), some are bad/stupid (moving Harry and Voldemort's final battle to the courtyard).

(oh sorry, is my nerd showing? )

People will argue about book canon versus show canon until they're blue in the face but they are two different things - and I still say that ultimately the books will always be canon over the show simply because they came first and they are the original idea of the author.

It is okay (and fun!) to have the argument tho

I fucking love this show.

Well I found the premiere really disappointing.

Watching it right now.

The first episode always needs to spend a lot of time resuming storylines. It was necessarily full of exposition.

But, ffs,

Is season six even following the books anymore? I do not recall it all unfolding as it is in this premiere.