1. How did you plan to make childbirth painless before what's her name eat that fruit? were women originally going to be egg layers/ hatchers?
2. What colour would their eggs have been?
3. Can't think of a third.

1.  How do you know there are no things you don't know?


2.  How do you know you are not a created being deluded into thinking you are God?


3.  How do I know you are not a powerful demon clouding my mind and convincing me you are God?

(April 25, 2016 at 8:51 am)Drich Wrote:

(April 24, 2016 at 6:06 pm)paulpablo Wrote: is there way to travel fast and reliably through space and reach another planet that humans can realistically live on?

Ever seen the show called Star trek?

You really do have trouble distinguishing fantasy from reality, don't you?

(April 25, 2016 at 9:58 am)Chad32 Wrote: Science has caused your god to cease to be things more and more all the time. remember when we thought lighting was a god showing it's power? Now we know it's just air friction. Or when we thought disease was because of demons and other bad spirits. instead of microbes? The more science discovers, the farther away, and weaker, the gods become.

That is why, in the story of the houses built on rocks or sand, i liken science to the rocks, and faith to the sand.

Author C Clark Wrote:Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

Which makes Drich ask:

What in your little mind, makes you think God has to be using 'magic?'

If God Created the Natural Universe, then would it not stand to reason He would then have also created the natural processes your 'science' is now beginning to explain?

Now don't fall of your 'rock' just yet, but ask yourself Why would God who created the natural universe create it in such away as to only be able to move through it and full fill His will by having to only be a supernatural force in or against the natural world?

Wouldn't make sense that God create the universe in such a way as to be able manipulate it or use "scientific" principle to obtain His will?

Now back to Author C Clark's quote... Even if God was using 'science' what do you think it would look like to those who witnessed it several thousand years ago? According to Clark, Magic!

So... Even if God used what we could now identify as a scientific principle to 'Part the Red Sea' it would still look like Magic to the Jews leaving Egypt. If that's the case then again what in your little mind makes you think we have to only think of God as being only 'magic?'

Now you and your house can fall off your "Rock."

(April 25, 2016 at 10:54 am)Drich Wrote:

(April 25, 2016 at 9:58 am)Chad32 Wrote: Science has caused your god to cease to be things more and more all the time. remember when we thought lighting was a god showing it's power? Now we know it's just air friction. Or when we thought disease was because of demons and other bad spirits. instead of microbes? The more science discovers, the farther away, and weaker, the gods become.

That is why, in the story of the houses built on rocks or sand, i liken science to the rocks, and faith to the sand.

Author C Clark Wrote:Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

Which makes Drich ask:

What in your little mind, makes you think God has to be using 'magic?'

If God Created the Natural Universe, then would it not stand to reason He would then have also created the natural processes your 'science' is now beginning to explain?

Now don't fall of your 'rock' just yet, but ask yourself Why would God who created the natural universe create it in such away as to only be able to move through it and full fill His will by having to only be a supernatural force in or against the natural world?

Wouldn't make sense that God create the universe in such a way as to be able manipulate it or use "scientific" principle to obtain His will?

Now back to Author C Clark's quote... Even if God was using 'science' what do you think it would look like to those who witnessed it several thousand years ago? According to Clark, Magic!

So... Even if God used what we could now identify as a scientific principle to 'Part the Red Sea' it would still look like Magic to the Jews leaving Egypt. If that's the case then again what in your little mind makes you think we have to only think of God as being only 'magic?'

Now you and your house can fall off your "Rock."

If your god was using science, he'd be detectable. Pretty much anything that interacts with the physical world, i.e. natural causes, can be tested. Yet your god is supposedly supernatural. i.e. magic. If he's using natural forces to do things, and we have yet to find any connection between natural forces and gods, then you're trying to insert something into the framework that doesn't need to be there.

I guess your god isn't really all that special. He just had a head start.

Natural things can be tested, explained, and controlled. If that's what your god is doing, then that basically means we're all gods, and eventually the gap between your god and us will shrink until we're equals. Which kind of fits into the Eden story, where Yahweh didn't want people gaining knowledge because they would become like him. Independent, and not so easily controlled.

All me.

(April 25, 2016 at 10:16 am)JuliaL Wrote: 1.  How do you know there are no things you don't know?

Ever been apart of the creative process, have you ever made anything from raw material, have you even made the raw material? On a simple level inoder to create something you have to know everything about what you are making or it will go unmade/incomplete. Even so, as it's creator you have complete knowledge of what you made.

Quote:2.  How do you know you are not a created being deluded into thinking you are God?

To create out of nothing is to be the creator by definition and not the created.

Quote:3.  How do I know you are not a powerful demon clouding my mind and convincing me you are God?

Look at this board, that is what many of you claim to 'think.'

(April 25, 2016 at 8:51 am)Drich Wrote: Ever seen the show called Star trek?

Quote:You really do have trouble distinguishing fantasy from reality, don't you?

I simply asked the question.

It seems you have trouble distinguishing a question from a statement.

(April 25, 2016 at 11:11 am)Chad32 Wrote: If your god was using science, he'd be detectable.

Oh, my glob...
What-I-Am-saying-what-is-found-is-credited-to-science-instead-of-God!!!

Why? because small minded a-holes think God=Magic, and if it is not magic it is not of God.

Quote: Pretty much anything that interacts with the physical world, i.e. natural causes, can be tested. Yet your god is supposedly supernatural. i.e. magic. If he's using natural forces to do things, and we have yet to find any connection between natural forces and gods, then you're trying to insert something into the framework that doesn't need to be there.

How do you know? Can 'science' offer a complete accurate picture of Creation?

Quote:I guess your god isn't really all that special. He just had a head start.

There is a VAST difference between creating something functional and someone reverse engineering what someone else has created.

Quote:Natural things can be tested, explained, and controlled.

and that is the illusion of science. When intruth less than a 1/3 of all scientific claims will remain in the realm of theory based on other therories being accurate. We can't test the vast majority of what we think is true outside of this planet's orbit let alone how the cosmos is constructed. Your faith in 'science' is the same faith people place in God.

Quote: If that's what your god is doing, then that basically means we're all gods, and eventually the gap between your god and us will shrink until we're equals. Which kind of fits into the Eden story, where Yahweh didn't want people gaining knowledge because they would become like him. Independent, and not so easily controlled.

Again you are supposing that everything can be reverse engineered and manipulated on the same level God can.

(April 25, 2016 at 11:25 am)Drich Wrote: All me.

(April 25, 2016 at 10:16 am)JuliaL Wrote: 1.  How do you know there are no things you don't know?

Ever been apart of the creative process, have you ever made anything from raw material, have you even made the raw material? On a simple level inoder to create something you have to know everything about what you are making or it will go unmade/incomplete. Even so, as it's creator you have complete knowledge of what you made.

Quote:2.  How do you know you are not a created being deluded into thinking you are God?

To create out of nothing is to be the creator by definition and not the created.

mybold


You miss the point.
My question pertains to God's knowledge of Himself, not knowledge of His creation.

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Quote:3.  How do I know you are not a powerful demon clouding my mind and convincing me you are God?

Look at this board, that is what many of you claim to 'think.'

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(April 25, 2016 at 8:51 am)Drich Wrote: Ever seen the show called Star trek?

Quote:You really do have trouble distinguishing fantasy from reality, don't you?

I simply asked the question.

It seems you have trouble distinguishing a question from a statement.

Your "question" was in response to and appeared to be an attempt to answer the question for God posed by paulpablo;

(April 24, 2016 at 6:06 pm)paulpablo Wrote: is there way to travel fast and reliably through space and reach another planet that humans can realistically live on?

This would be a good question for God as we mortals have not been able to find such a method.
I interpreted your reply as a rhetorical question which implied that if paulpablo would just consult the Star Trek canon, he could find an answer to FTL travel.
If I was misinterpreting, what was your actual intent?

(April 25, 2016 at 11:41 am)Drich Wrote:

(April 25, 2016 at 11:11 am)Chad32 Wrote: If your god was using science, he'd be detectable.

Oh, my glob...
What-I-Am-saying-what-is-found-is-credited-to-science-instead-of-God!!!

Why? because small minded a-holes think God=Magic, and if it is not magic it is not of God.

Quote: Pretty much anything that interacts with the physical world, i.e. natural causes, can be tested. Yet your god is supposedly supernatural. i.e. magic. If he's using natural forces to do things, and we have yet to find any connection between natural forces and gods, then you're trying to insert something into the framework that doesn't need to be there.

How do you know? Can 'science' offer a complete accurate picture of Creation?

Quote:I guess your god isn't really all that special. He just had a head start.

There is a VAST difference between creating something functional and someone reverse engineering what someone else has created.

Quote:Natural things can be tested, explained, and controlled.

and that is the illusion of science. When in truth less than a 1/3 of all scientific claims will remain in the realm of theory based on other theories being accurate. We can't test the vast majority of what we think is true outside of this planet's orbit let alone how the cosmos is constructed. Your faith in 'science' is the same faith people place in God.

Quote: If that's what your god is doing, then that basically means we're all gods, and eventually the gap between your god and us will shrink until we're equals. Which kind of fits into the Eden story, where Yahweh didn't want people gaining knowledge because they would become like him. Independent, and not so easily controlled.

Again you are supposing that everything can be reverse engineered and manipulated on the same level God can.

The issue is that if it isn't magic, then what do you need a god for? If you can explain something through means that don't require a god, which has not yet been proven to exist, then what's the point of the god?

Yeah, we have a pretty accurate picture of how the universe works, and it's getting clearer and clearer over time. If you want to fit your god into the gaps, that's fine, but those gaps are getting smaller and fewer over time.

Pretty sure we can test things outside our planet. It's not faith when anyone with the proper tools can test or observe what other people can.

What makes you think we can't? His abilities aren't demonstrable, so anything you say about what he can do is akin to debating how large dragons can truly grow before they stop. Or if they stop.

Arthur C Clarke, I think you mean. He was an author, of course. Mainly of science fiction. A corollary to his Third Law that you cited runs: "Any technology, however primitive, is indistinguishable from magic to someone who doesn't understand it."