(May 1, 2016 at 3:58 pm)abaris Wrote:

(May 1, 2016 at 3:51 pm)Emjay Wrote: I usually vote Labour and in the past sometimes Lib Dem, but not any more though.

They kissed Dave's ass after all. But I see the problematic already, since you have a majority suffrage, while our's is proportional.

Yeah, I'll certainly never trust Nick Clegg again. I'm in two minds about the voting system though... I think proportional would be fairer, and perhaps stop the need for tactical voting sometimes, but on the other hand it might allow right wing parties to get a foothold... so as much as I don't like the way it's done now I want us to keep it as another means, alongside the EU, of keeping those sorts of parties out of government.

Proportional representation is fairer. But it's only more moral or just if the result is moral or just -- speaking from my consequentialist ethical perspective: I think it would be less just if it leads to a party getting in that will completely fuck over this country even more than it already is because the public may actually be idiotic enough to vote such a party in.

The Tories are the worst party able to win without proportional representation, but they are not the worst party able to win with proportional representation.

Proportional representation opens up new possibilities to more results, good and bad. And good. And bad. It depends, it really depends. But there are scary parties I don't want in life UKIP. You may say it's not about what I want, but what I want is about my opinion, and my opinion is what I am expressing, because what I want is whatever I think is best, and what I think is best is what is ethical, and what I think is ethical is what I think is ethical from a consequentialist perspective: what I want is not a purely selfish sense of want, it coincides with my opinions of what is best. It's the way I view life.


I believe ethical philosophy is relevant to political philosophy and philosophy is relevant to ethics and ethics is relevant to politics.

(May 1, 2016 at 4:08 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: As realistic and practical as I am, and regardless of the fact that I try to always try to strive to be more practical and realistic than idealistic, I still never fucking give up.

And that's a great quality to have. But come the general election, you're gonna suffer a crippling amount of disappointment like you did the latest one.

I'm eighteen this December and absolutely refuse to vote Labour due to some of their MPs having expressed support for the IRA, their excessive spending and the fact they lean too far left wing for me - especially under the leadership of that douchebag Jeremy Corbyn.

I don't want to vote Conservative either because they've promised stricter immigration policies but never deliver, they support the EU, destroyed our military and stripped the welfare budget for those who genuinely need it. Kids are relying on food banks in the UK while we send millions in foreign aid; that also has to stop.

Conservatives also spend too much. Oddly enough..it just goes to their business buddies instead.

Lib Dems are pussies; the SNP are morons and so on and so on.

You get it.

Cameron fucked a pig.

Let us not forget this.

Pony Wrote:And that's a great quality to have. But come the general election, you're gonna suffer a crippling amount of disappointment like you did the latest one.

Nah. I have zero emotional expectation of success: I merely behave as if success is possible because it doesn't negatively impact my life to do that, and because I'm a practical optimist. As idealistic as I am my realisticness and practicality dwarfs my idealism and remains overarchingly "meh" in atittude.

Not only will I not be disappointed, but as much as I want to keep voting and trying (and never give up) I may be too busy enjoying my life to remember to vote, or to even remember when the election is

(May 1, 2016 at 4:29 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: Also Cameron fucked a pig.

Let us not forget this.

Funnily enough, I only just learned about this today from my sister... shows how far behind on the news I am  And something about burning £50 notes in front of homeless people.

(May 1, 2016 at 4:31 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote:

Pony Wrote:And that's a great quality to have. But come the general election, you're gonna suffer a crippling amount of disappointment like you did the latest one.

Nah. I have zero emotional expectation of success: I merely behave as if success is possible because it doesn't negatively impact my life to do that, and because I'm a practical optimist. As idealistic as I am my realisticness and practicality dwarfs my idealism and remains overarchingly "meh" in atittude.

Not only will I not be disappointed, but as much as I want to keep voting and trying (and never give up) I may be too busy enjoying my life to remember to vote, or to even remember when the election is

Guess you're right.

@Bella

What Labour MPs expressed support for the IRA, and in what context? If you don't mind me asking.

(May 1, 2016 at 4:27 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: I'm eighteen this December and absolutely refuse to vote Labour due to some of their MPs having expressed support for the IRA, their excessive spending and the fact they lean too far left wing for me - especially under the leadership of that douchebag Jeremy Corbyn.

Just wait another ten years and you will have a better outlook on who's fucking you over and who's the lesser evil. I know, I know, when I was 17 I also thought to have it all figured out. But I wouldn't trust my 17 year old self today.

(May 1, 2016 at 4:46 pm)Emjay Wrote: @Bella

What Labour MPs expressed support for the IRA, and in what context? If you don't mind me asking.

Perhaps sympathise was a better word to use. Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell's sympathising and links to the Irish Republican movement has been well documented.

John McDonnell says we should honour those to have taken part in "armed struggle". John only apologised when it sparked national outrage. He called IRA volunteers "brave".

McDonnell has been documented as speaking at a commemoration service for Bobby Sands. I believe that's where he said the above stuff.

Jeremy Corbyn has been criticised to fail to condemn bombings in interviews by IRA victims. Corbyn has spoken at memorial services for dead IRA terrorists and other commemoration services for IRA "prisoners of war" and active "soldiers" of the IRA.

They're both very close to Gerry Adams and McGuinness.

But one things for sure, their determination for a United Ireland still burns strong and let me tell you right now, it won't be happening anytime soon. They'd start the fucking Troubles again.