(May 6, 2016 at 3:11 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote: Ancient people were clever enough to build the likes of Stonehenge and Newgrange which were aligned to the position of the sun at very specific times, eg you can see the sun from the innermost chamber in Newgrange only on dawn of the winter solstice. They understood full well what a year was.

Ever been? I hit the lottery in 2002 and got to be inside for the event. Pretty impressive.

Boru

(May 6, 2016 at 4:09 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(May 6, 2016 at 3:11 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote: Ancient people were clever enough to build the likes of Stonehenge and Newgrange which were aligned to the position of the sun at very specific times, eg you can see the sun from the innermost chamber in Newgrange only on dawn of the winter solstice. They understood full well what a year was.

Ever been?  I hit the lottery in 2002 and got to be inside for the event.  Pretty impressive.

Boru

Been up there on school trips, never managed to win the lottery. Closest I've been to Stonehenge was Cardiff last September.

(May 5, 2016 at 1:32 pm)TubbyTubby Wrote:

(May 5, 2016 at 1:08 pm)Drich Wrote: glob...

And how did one measure one rotation around the sun, when it was thought the sun revolved around the earth?

Sometimes I mistake you for someone with a modicum of intelligence, based on my interactions with folk in real life and on forums but you always manage to overstep the mark into abstract stupidity.

I want to meet up with you Drich, my curiosity is getting the better of me. I don't believe you actually exist.

next time your in Orlando PM me I'll buy you lunch.

(May 5, 2016 at 1:43 pm)TubbyTubby Wrote:

(May 5, 2016 at 1:22 pm)Drich Wrote: Our calendar is based on orbital position. In a time and place where those terms were meaningless the counting of the year was based on food production, or celestial worship. They did not count days because then it was thought the earth was the center and the sun move around it.

The point being a year then was not 365 1/4 days. So to count a year then as you do now makes you a fool.

So what is your argument? That the Earths orbital period 6000 years ago was different to now?

No. My arguement states that if "we" (6000 years ago) did not know the earth revolved around the sun, then 365 1/4 day year was not how years were counted. They were counted by harvest cycles or celestial events. Some of which could take longer than a 365 day year while other took less time.

Again the Hebrew word year does not mean 365 days it represents a completed time cycle like what a year represents to us.

Again in this culture days were not counted and marked as we mark them, so to assume your measure of a year was their measure of a year is foolish.

(May 5, 2016 at 1:45 pm)TubbyTubby Wrote: Fucking frightening that these people inhabit the same planet as me.

what is frightening is that you think your the one speaking from the educated position, and none of your friends can or wants to help you understand how far off you really are.

You guys should know by now if I say something deceptively simple and counter-intuitive then you should take pause for a moment, because what ever I say I can back up.

So it is better to ask a question first and get a complete understanding, THEN make your judgement. If you simply rush to judgement you are more than likely going to get stung.

(May 5, 2016 at 1:50 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:

(May 5, 2016 at 8:25 am)Drich Wrote: What constitutes a Year, now?

What constituted a year before Gregorian calendar, before the Roman, before the Grecian, before the Hebrew calendar?

What constituted a "year" when Adam was alive?

Had a xtian try to tell me that the old time bible "year" was actually the moon phase. A year back then was actually one month. They will make up anything to make the numbers even kind of work. Just say god and stop trying to justify the fantasy.

What He was saying (more than likly) is what I said the Hebrew word we translate into "year" is a word that means "A completed time cycle." As their days were measured by the moon a series of completed moon cycle could indeed be referred to as a year. It just depends on context.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lex...8141&t=KJV

(May 5, 2016 at 2:03 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(May 5, 2016 at 1:08 pm)Drich Wrote: glob...

And how did one measure one rotation around the sun, when it was thought the sun revolved around the earth?

Doesn't matter from the pov of someone on this planet. Note where the Sun rises on a particular day, record how it rises in a different place half a year later, work out the difference until it begins again. All you need is a clear sky and a reason to notice such things - say an agrarian economy.

But again if cultures don't count days??? What if a culture counts evening as the start of the day and the moon's position at the start of the day? Or again what if one counts harvest cycles? What if you could get two or three harvest cycles out of a 365 day period?

The point is not to try and make these societies conform to our understanding of what a year is, but to contextually read and understand how there 'time cycles'/years worked. then divide or multiply to translate into how our years work.

(May 6, 2016 at 3:11 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote: Ancient people were clever enough to build the likes of Stonehenge and Newgrange which were aligned to the position of the sun at very specific times, eg you can see the sun from the innermost chamber in Newgrange only on dawn of the winter solstice. They understood full well what a year was.

So the jews built Stonehenge now? Or are you saying the Jews would have adopted a pagan calendar system when God provided a different one?

Do you not understand each culture had it's own way of recording time to coincide with major events in their regions? As in when to plant, when the migratory animals moved. when the river flooded. what ever was important to a given people is how they marked time. which differed from region to region.

(May 7, 2016 at 10:23 am)Drich Wrote:

(May 5, 2016 at 1:45 pm)TubbyTubby Wrote: Fucking frightening that these people inhabit the same planet as me.

what is frightening is that you think your the one speaking from the educated position, and none of your friends can or wants to help you understand how far off you really are.

You guys should know by now if I say something deceptively simple and counter-intuitive then you should take pause for a moment, because what ever I say I can back up.

So it is better to ask a question first and get a complete understanding, THEN make your judgement. If you simply rush to judgement you are more than likely going to get stung.

So what's the formula to convert old testament years into modern years then?

GOD'S WORD[REGISTERED SIGN] Translation
Noah lived a total of 950 years; then he died.

JPS Tanakh 1917
And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years; and he died.

New American Standard 1977 
So all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years, and he died.

Jubilee Bible 2000
And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years, and he died.

King James 2000 Bible
And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died.

American King James Version
And all the days of Noah were nice hundred and fifty years: and he died.

If this doesn't mean 950 years as we know it today then tell me how many years Noah lived. Simply saying we're all stupid for thinking an OT year is a year but not telling us what is doesn't count as an answer.
So what's it to be? Your 'moon' theory? An OT year was a month?