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RE: Lifespan 1000 years to 80?
May 8, 2016 at 10:17 am
(May 8, 2016 at 12:51 am)TubbyTubby Wrote: (May 7, 2016 at 8:07 pm)IATIA Wrote: And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years (moons), and begat Lamech. And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years (moons), and begat sons and daughters: And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years (moons): and he died." - Genesis 5:25-27
187/12.36=15.13
969/12.36=78.4
What? So Nahor was dead by the age of 12 (147) yet had 8 kids!
He could have easily had eight wives.
There is on record today of a 5 y/o having a child.
(May 8, 2016 at 12:56 am)TubbyTubby Wrote: Genesis 7:11
In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened.
If that means in the 48th year (600×12.36 lunar) what does "second month" mean?
Why is a year a month but the word month is used in the context of days?
I didn't write the damn thing.  Mayhaps it was just the custom in those days, differentiating age versus day to day times. It makes much more sense that Methuselah was 80 vs. 969.
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RE: Lifespan 1000 years to 80?
May 8, 2016 at 10:59 am
(May 8, 2016 at 10:17 am)IATIA Wrote: (May 8, 2016 at 12:51 am)TubbyTubby Wrote: What? So Nahor was dead by the age of 12 (147) yet had 8 kids!
He could have easily had eight wives.
There is on record today of a 5 y/o having a child.
(May 8, 2016 at 12:56 am)TubbyTubby Wrote: Genesis 7:11
In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened.
If that means in the 48th year (600×12.36 lunar) what does "second month" mean?
Why is a year a month but the word month is used in the context of days?
I didn't write the damn thing. [emoji14] Mayhaps it was just the custom in those days, differentiating age versus day to day times. It makes much more sense that Methuselah was 80 vs. 969. Or mayhaps it was common practice to make up stories with people living to a 1000 years so as to lend them more importance to the audience.
That would make more sense than the pathetic efforts I'm seeing here to bend the definitions of years and months so as to shift the story characters into more realistic human lifespans.
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RE: Lifespan 1000 years to 80?
May 8, 2016 at 11:11 am
Where does this 12.36 number come from?
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RE: Lifespan 1000 years to 80?
May 8, 2016 at 11:29 am
(May 8, 2016 at 11:11 am)KevinM1 Wrote: Where does this 12.36 number come from? Same place as any other apologetics nonsense, out of the big brown arsehole. It's a lunar to actual year conversion number to account for crazy stories about folk living to 1000. Apparently.
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RE: Lifespan 1000 years to 80?
May 8, 2016 at 11:41 am
Quote:He could have easily had eight wives.
Not at the age of 12, he couldn't.
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RE: Lifespan 1000 years to 80?
May 8, 2016 at 12:44 pm
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(May 8, 2016 at 11:11 am)KevinM1 Wrote: Where does this 12.36 number come from?
It is the lunar cycle from new moon to new moon. Basically there are 12 moons per year.
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RE: Lifespan 1000 years to 80?
May 8, 2016 at 1:00 pm
(This post was last modified: May 8, 2016 at 1:06 pm by KevinM1.)
EDIT: Never mind, I'm an idiot
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RE: Lifespan 1000 years to 80?
May 8, 2016 at 1:26 pm
(May 8, 2016 at 12:44 pm)IATIA Wrote: (May 8, 2016 at 11:11 am)KevinM1 Wrote: Where does this 12.36 number come from?
It is the lunar cycle from new moon to new moon. Basically there are 12 moons per year.
Mega hoop jumping to try and rationalize the goat-herders' campfire stories. 
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RE: Lifespan 1000 years to 80?
May 8, 2016 at 2:19 pm
(May 8, 2016 at 1:26 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote: (May 8, 2016 at 12:44 pm)IATIA Wrote: It is the lunar cycle from new moon to new moon. Basically there are 12 moons per year.
Mega hoop jumping to try and rationalize the goat-herders' campfire stories. You can understand their need to explain these impossible bible stories to themselves. They know full well that men didn't live for hundreds of years but they cannot possibly admit that the book is a myth or else the OT just unravels. That only leaves one possible recourse - massage the myth to fit reality, in this case adjust the length of a year.
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RE: Lifespan 1000 years to 80?
May 8, 2016 at 2:53 pm
Ancient time keepers were usually Sages, Magi, or astrologer-priests who guarded the sacred records in their rock temples in India, on their ziggurats in Babylonia or their stone observatories and pyramids in Egypt. They calculated that a month was the period the Moon revolved around the Earth, and from this understanding various Lunar Calendars evolved. Until the time of Julius Caesar, the calendar was primarily lunar, with various schemes devised to keep step with the cycle of seasons. When measured in this fashion, lives ebbed and flowed in a 29.53059 day cycle.
Because of the complexity of the lunar cycles and to keep step with the seasons, three distinct types of calendars developed:
The first type of calendar to come into use is the lunar calendar. This calendar follows the lunar phase cycle without regard for the seasonal or tropical year.
The next to come into use is the lunisolar calendar. This calendar is based on the lunar phase cycle, but every few years a whole 13th month is intercalated to bring the calendar back in phase with the tropical year.
The third type of calendar is a solar calendar, designed to maintain synchronicity with the tropical year. This is done by adding intercalary days into the calendar every few years to increase the average length of the calendar year, such as the leap years.
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