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RE: Dr. Craig is a liar.
May 18, 2016 at 1:08 pm
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Yeah, prayer relies solely on the placebo effect. It's what we've been saying for years.
I've never seen a theist admit it before, although I don't think he understands what he is admitting.
Placebo effect, confirmation bias and indoctrination. The unholy trinity that keeps people thinking there is something to religion beyond their own mind.
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RE: Dr. Craig is a liar.
May 18, 2016 at 1:46 pm
There is no 'faith' involved in the placebo effect...that's why atheists experience the placebo effect as well..
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RE: Dr. Craig is a liar.
May 18, 2016 at 1:52 pm
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"faith" or "belief" is not exclusive to religion...
Also you're wrong, the "placebo effect" is totally based upon faith, because obviously it not the treatment itself that's working.
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RE: Dr. Craig is a liar.
May 18, 2016 at 1:54 pm
How can you be pointing to the Bible for your ideas about 'faith' and then claim it's nothing to do with religion?
Define "faith," please. I noticed you failed to provide a definition for 'supernatural' earlier but hopefully we can get some sort of answer out of you.
By faith do you simply mean 'confidence' or 'trust'?
And I'll ask again, how do you explain the failure of prayer in the STEP studies? Or are you going to say they weren't using 'faith' in those prayers?
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RE: Dr. Craig is a liar.
May 18, 2016 at 2:01 pm
So there's nothing linking it to god.
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RE: Dr. Craig is a liar.
May 18, 2016 at 2:56 pm
(May 18, 2016 at 2:01 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (May 18, 2016 at 1:54 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: By faith do you simply mean 'confidence' or 'trust'?
exactly.
Well, that's cleared
that up.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Dr. Craig is a liar.
May 18, 2016 at 3:40 pm
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I think it's clear enough for anyone who's not a straight up dummy.
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RE: Dr. Craig is a liar.
May 18, 2016 at 3:48 pm
(This post was last modified: May 18, 2016 at 3:59 pm by FatAndFaithless.)
*Pats Huggy on the head* That's nice dear.
You've dodged this each time I've mentioned it, but I'd like you to at least address it a little bit.
The STEP studies that tested the efficacy of prayer included groups of people that prayed for sick people to get better. In most cases these prayers were shown to have NO effect, and in some cases those prayers had NEGATIVE effects. How would you explain that? Were these people just not using 'faith' in those prayers?
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