I'm also wondering if Iblis is a Jinn or not. The Quran seems confused on this.

Quran 18:50 says that Ibilis is a Jinn: Behold! We said to the angels, "Bow down to Adam": They bowed down except Iblis. He was one of the Jinns, and he broke the Command of his Lord. Will ye then take him and his progeny as protectors rather than Me? And they are enemies to you! Evil would be the exchange for the wrong-doers!

Or is Quran 2:34, which says Iblis is an angel right?

And behold, We said to the angels: "Bow down to Adam" and they bowed down. Not so Iblis: he refused and was haughty: He was of those who reject Faith.

Quran 15:30 - 31 also claims Iblis is an angel: So the angels prostrated themselves, all of them together: (30) Not so Iblis: he refused to be among those who prostrated themselves.(31)


I can't find where it says other Jinn refused to bow to Adam. If such an Iyaht is in the Quran then that creates more problems than it solves. Here are a few that I can see:

1. Why are the other Jinn not banished?
2. All Jiinn are make of this "smokeless fire" stuff so why is Iblis any different?
3. Again, why is Allah hold Iblis to a different standard to the other Jiinn (or angels)?
4. And, while we're at it, how can something be made from fire when fire is a chemical reaction taking place?
5. Smokeless fire is impossible?
6. And let's not forget the angels, of which Iblis may or not have been one of. How can something be made of only photons?

Quran 7:11 - 12 seems to say that Iblis is an Angel made of fire even though it's the Jinn who are made of fire, not the angels: It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We bade the angels prostrate to Adam, and they prostrate; not so Iblis; He refused to be of those who prostrate. (10) (Allah) said: "What prevented thee from prostrating when I commanded thee?" He said: "I am better than he: Thou didst create me from fire, and him from clay."

And don't the Iyaht saying Iblis refused to bow to Adam contradict Qutan 16:50 - 51 which say angels have no free will:
And to Allah doth obeisance all that is in the heavens and on earth, whether moving (living) creatures or the angels: for none are arrogant (before their Lord). (49) They all revere their Lord, high above them, and they do all that they are commanded. (50)

Why is the Quran so confusing?

I'd refer your query to Melchizedek.

(May 19, 2016 at 5:45 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: I'd refer your query to Melchizedek.

Just seeing who I can coax out of the woodwork.

It isn't often bandied about, but there's a second class of spirits, closely related to Djinn. They're called Han'donikks.

Boru

LOL GUISE

Dont be Islamaphobe. That is Bee-goat-tree.

(May 19, 2016 at 5:50 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It isn't often bandied about, but there's a second class of spirits, closely related to Djinn. They're called Han'donikks.

Boru

I thought they were called Tonnikks? Ice and a slice in mine, please.

(May 20, 2016 at 8:28 am)Stimbo Wrote:

(May 19, 2016 at 5:50 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It isn't often bandied about, but there's a second class of spirits, closely related to Djinn.  They're called Han'donikks.

Boru

I thought they were called Tonnikks? Ice and a slice in mine, please.

Fuck you nigger. Respect Islam you ray-cyst bitch

Oh boy, do I feel a prophecy coming on.

(May 20, 2016 at 8:35 am)EuphoricAtheist Wrote:

(May 20, 2016 at 8:28 am)Stimbo Wrote: I thought they were called Tonnikks? Ice and a slice in mine, please.

Fuck you nigger. Respect Islam you ray-cyst bitch

Islam isn't a race, you tit.

(May 20, 2016 at 8:39 am)Stimbo Wrote:

(May 20, 2016 at 8:35 am)EuphoricAtheist Wrote: Fuck you nigger. Respect Islam you ray-cyst bitch

Islam isn't a race, you tit.

WHAT THE FUCK? It isn't? Oh my Allah. I have no arguement. My social justice autism has been blown away by your brilliant logic.