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Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god
May 27, 2016 at 3:43 am
Because, god is omni-present, and omni-being and omni-everywhere, so even in absence it’s there for there is no such thing as true absence.
So i heard that recently and i would like to hear from atheists here what you all think of this statement.
Thanks 
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RE: Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god
May 27, 2016 at 3:45 am
(May 27, 2016 at 3:43 am)Blueyedlion Wrote: Because, god is omni-present, and omni-being and omni-everywhere, so even in absence it’s there for there is no such thing as true absence.
So i heard that recently and i would like to hear from atheists here what you all think of this statement.
Thanks
A statement only a moron would make.
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RE: Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god
May 27, 2016 at 3:46 am
(This post was last modified: May 27, 2016 at 3:47 am by robvalue.)
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That makes no sense at all. You're saying there's always something everywhere... so therefor that something is God? Sounds like you're just calling the universe God or something.
You might like to start by defining what God means, as specifically as possible. Also, you could add why anyone should care if there is such a thing.
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May 27, 2016 at 4:04 am
It's a pseudophilosophical and incoherent statement, sorry. You missed the step in the proof where you demonstrate your first premises.
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RE: Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god
May 27, 2016 at 4:07 am
Quote: i would like to hear from atheists here what you all think of this statement.
I didn't like it the first time I heard it 20-odd years ago, and my opinion hasn't changed.
If you want to convince us that we believe in God, you first have to demonstrate - convincingly - that God exists. Making an ungrammatical claim that God is everywhere is simply an assertion.
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RE: Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god
May 27, 2016 at 4:11 am
(This post was last modified: May 27, 2016 at 4:29 am by Blueyedlion.)
(May 27, 2016 at 3:46 am)robvalue Wrote: Welcome to the forum
That makes no sense at all. You're saying there's always something everywhere... so therefor that something is God? Sounds like you're just calling the universe God or something.
You might like to start by defining what God means, as specifically as possible. Also, you could add why anyone should care if there is such a thing.
Thanks kindly for the warm welcoming, to be clear, now 26 years of age, ive been an atheist up until a year ago, the change was based on the science first, experience later. So at the very least, i would hope no one thinks of me as a religious person, or some god pusher.
Just to note - I only mean to defend this statement to provoke any fermentation of out of the box thinking that may eventuate from this ^^
So to begin, yes one can identify the universe and god as the same thing. Which they indeed are, the only difference is your personal attachment to one or the other in your beliefs of what you may think can only constitute what the universe truly is or isnt.
God means energy in all states of being, from material, to consciousness. All that connects etc etc
Without going into a need for a long breath of explanation, the only difference between an atheistic mindset of the universe and theistic mindset of god, is that the definition of universe a theist believes in, holds that consciousness permeates all, where as an atheist holds consciousness is subject to the material. This will most likely be the major point of discussion if there is to be one on this topic.
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May 27, 2016 at 4:13 am
Is someone in your area having a sale on unjustified assumptions? Because you seem to have an awful lot of them to hand.
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RE: Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god
May 27, 2016 at 4:20 am
Welcome firstly.
All this stuff is not in the bible, so please tell me where you got these ideas from?
I'd hate to think that you have license to make stuff up just like that!
If that's the case, a disclaimer would've been nice...
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RE: Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god
May 27, 2016 at 4:37 am
(May 27, 2016 at 3:43 am)Blueyedlion Wrote: Because, god is omni-present, and omni-being and omni-everywhere, so even in absence it’s there for there is no such thing as true absence. [...]
Uhm... Firstly - aren't "omnipresent" and "omni-everywhere" the same thing?
Secondly - what does "omni-being" mean?
Thirdly - what does any of that have to do with believing in a god? If you're trying to say that the universe is god, then I don't believe you. I also don't believe you, when you say that god is omni-whatever, or make any other assertion regarding the nature of an entity, that HASN'T BEEN PROVEN TO EXIST IN THE FIRST PLACE. And I don't believe that gods exist. So how exactly am I "actually believing in god"?
If I told you, that fairies are omnipresent and "omni-being", would you then agree, that you actually believe in fairies?
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RE: Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god
May 27, 2016 at 4:41 am
(This post was last modified: May 27, 2016 at 4:52 am by Blueyedlion.)
(May 27, 2016 at 4:20 am)ignoramus Wrote: Welcome firstly.
All this stuff is not in the bible, so please tell me where you got these ideas from?
I'd hate to think that you have license to make stuff up just like that!
If that's the case, a disclaimer would've been nice...
Thanks for the welcome
In no way is this a bible handed projection to any of you, religion appeals to me as much as it did while an atheist.
I simply heard this from a friend. This is purely an idea I'd like to explore with you all, with no claims of knowing better. Only that i have some grounding, some grasp of this topic enough to ideally get some of you to consider this as not just something one would dismiss because it doesn't fit in with an already made opinion.
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