Atlas,

Integrity and accountability seem to be kicking your ass. 9/11 was not an inside job, the mere suggestion is preposterous based on what is known. Nobody else but Muslims can be blamed for the Sunni-Shia horseshit so knock off the poor helpless Muslim routine.

(May 30, 2016 at 7:33 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote:

(May 30, 2016 at 1:34 am)Bella Morte Wrote: Fuck Allah.

Don't. You'll get the clap.

and fleas . . .

(May 30, 2016 at 9:25 am)Cato Wrote: Atlas,

Integrity and accountability seem to be kicking your ass. 9/11 was not an inside job, the mere suggestion is preposterous based on what is known. Nobody else but Muslims can be blamed for the Sunni-Shia horseshit so knock off the poor helpless Muslim routine.

Really?
Your ignorance seems to be not just kicking, but eating the shit from inside your ass.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-...SKCN0Y8239

Quote:CLASSIFIED PAGES OF 9/11 REPORT



Republican Senator John Cornyn, also a sponsor of the bill, said JASTA does not target the Saudis, although he alluded to a still-classified section of a report on the Sept. 11 attacks that Saudi critics say might implicate Riyadh.
"We have yet to see the 28 pages that have not been yet released about the 9/11 report, and that may well be instructive," Cornyn said at the news conference.
Other lawmakers who have seen the 28 pages have said releasing them would quiet such rumors.
Cornyn said it was up to the court to decide whether the Saudis were liable. "I don't believe that this will be destructive of the relationship that we have with the kingdom of Saudi Arabia," he said.
The White House said Obama still plans to veto JASTA.
"This legislation would change long-standing, international law regarding sovereign immunity," White House spokesman Josh Earnest told a daily press briefing.

"And the president of the United States continues to harbor serious concerns that this legislation would make the United States vulnerable in other court systems around the world."

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/18/politi...to-threat/

Don't you ever speak about my integrity; your ignorance is just disgusting and sad beyond measure.

And let's look this from a different perspective. Many people followed Bush ignorantly and:
1-Believed in the WMD lie (which was proven false)
2-Believed that 9/11 was commited by Bin-Laden -Not Saudi Arabia-

So your government hid information from you for...more than 10 years??
What an insult to the victims' families !

Lie after lie after lie. And sheep will believe 

And I add, that Bin Laden was a CIA employee, and documents will prove this in the future

As for the inside job. 
Let's check this chess move: 

You make one nasty crime. You hide it for so long, but people and activists keep punching you and the truth starts to smells -at least for the sane people who have noses-. So you take a minion from your group, frame him, then veto what you just did 5 minutes ago xD

That way, the name of the real criminal will be so hidden.

And just like you were fooled the first time, you'll be fooled the second.

So believe me, you are the getting his ass chewed by the system, Not me. Take a shower.

(May 30, 2016 at 10:12 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: You make one nasty crime. You hide it for so long, but people and activists keep punching you and the truth starts to smells -at least for the sane people who have noses-. So you take a minion from your group, frame him, then veto what you just did 5 minutes ago xD

Lifted straight from the conspiracy theorist playbook; only your olfactory senses are keen enough to discern the real truth and simultaneously characterize as insane those that don't sympathize with your wild speculation masquerading as reasonable assertion.

There is a gross disingenuity just below the surface of your argument that I cannot let go unchallenged. You have spent significant digital ink on these forums speaking out against the House of Saud and its duplicitious relationship and sponsorship of Wahhabism; a point on which we agree. You now want to disassociate KSA with bin Laden. Yes KSA revoked his citizenship and publicly condemned the actions of Al-Qaeda, but the only crimes seem to have been bin Laden's acting independently of the state and extending use of the ideology beyond KSA's local sphere of influence. Saudi Arabia has never once condemned or disavowed the ideology by which Al-Qaeda, or ISIS for that matter, justifies its ambitions enacted through violence.

I'm having an email exchange with one of those 9-11 nuts who assures me that the airliners that crashed into the buildings "only looked like airliners."

That they did!

(May 30, 2016 at 11:11 am)Cato Wrote:

(May 30, 2016 at 10:12 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: You make one nasty crime. You hide it for so long, but people and activists keep punching you and the truth starts to smells -at least for the sane people who have noses-. So you take a minion from your group, frame him, then veto what you just did 5 minutes ago xD

Lifted straight from the conspiracy theorist playbook; only your olfactory senses are keen enough to discern the real truth and simultaneously characterize as insane those that don't sympathize with your wild speculation masquerading as reasonable assertion.

There is a gross disingenuity just below the surface of your argument that I cannot let go unchallenged. You have spent significant digital ink on these forums speaking out against the House of Saud and its duplicitious relationship and sponsorship of Wahhabism; a point on which we agree. You now want to disassociate KSA with bin Laden. Yes KSA revoked his citizenship and publicly condemned the actions of Al-Qaeda, but the only crimes seem to have been bin Laden's acting independently of the state and extending use of the ideology beyond KSA's local sphere of influence. Saudi Arabia has never once condemned or disavowed the ideology by which Al-Qaeda, or ISIS for that matter, justifies its ambitions enacted through violence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

Quote:though others, including survivors of the attack, have rejected these conclusions and maintain that the attack was deliberate.[7]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Quote:The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other U.S. government operatives to commit acts of terrorism against American civilians and military targets, blaming it on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba. The proposals were rejected by the Kennedy administration.[2]

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods#cite_note-2]
You gotta excuse me cato, but your country is so fishy in terms of politics; the CIA just treats everybody like shit, I mean...what the hell?

Quote: You now want to disassociate KSA with bin Laden

???
What is the name of the brain damage you suffer from; cato?

Honestly now..no..I said:

"Saudi Arabia is America's bitch, and Israell's cock sucker, they never act or do anything without orders from their masters, according to this treaty they were already a property of Britain then Britain sold them to the United states:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Darin

Then, the "Saudi Cow Farm" became the factory of KFC & Burger King, hence when I said:

Quote:So you take a minion from your group, frame him, then veto what you just did 5 minutes ago xD

1-Minion: who ever said that the saudies had a will of their own xD 

2-Your group: they are in your alliance, remember?

Wait wait wait..you shitted that huge poop, and now you're buring it like it didn't happen?
The Sauds were your pals and minions (you even fought saddam together and had sex at midnight), but now you wanna say they are the enemy?

The Sauds Are america's henchman in the ME. GET OVER IT.

In the gulf war, America used the sauds like a carpet into baghdad; you also have lots of marine bases here; too. WTF? you have a base inside enemy lines ! how cool !!!

I have to ask..do you have a U.S base in North Korea?

Loool cato ! I thought you were better than this ! you're an ex "huurah" !

Atlas,

I have never excused the United States from its misguided political calculations, most of which are the result of denying what's truly at stake. This is a war of ideologies, period. The difference between the West and Islamic neerdowells is ideology. The U.S. can only be said to act poorly in comparison to its founding ideology and resulting laws, the same can't be said for ISIS or KSA. To put it bluntly, if the U.S. put a crescent moon on a battle flag and mandated its soldiers put their asses in the air 180 degrees from Mecca five times a day you wouldn't have shit to say about U.S. activity. Your vitriol relies on comparison to two different standards.

In an attempt to make progress in the dialogue, let's adopt one standard. I propose the U.N. Declaration of Human Rights. To be sure, the U.S. will be held accountable where it runs afoul, but the itemization will assuredly reveal that Islamic states have much more to answer for. Bases in KSA or the money we give the state in exchange for our insatiable thirst for oil is not a cause of the regime's treatment of its own people or others who are not the right type of Muslim. This fact is unassailable.

The west doesn't choose to build a new palace instead of a new hospital. The west doesn't decide to take the money to enrich the already powerful rather than parlay it into industry that would help ensure the country's future prosperity in the face of Dutch Disease. In Saudi Arabia women are fighting for the right to drive or not be chaperoned by a five year old member of the family born with a fifth appendage; in the west women are fighting to close an earnings pay gap. Even if not perfectly executed (yet), I will passionately defend my country's ideology over the tyrranical claptrap that comes from Islamic states; your fealty to the Quran and willingness to jettison the Hadith is akin to championing 19th century medicine over that practiced in the 13th century.

You abhor Islamism, but only want to shed fealty for Hadith in exchange for your particular interpretation of the Quran, just another religious based tyranny that wont improve the lot of the average citizen. At no time have you ever espoused the idea of religious freedom, only that your interpretation should be adhered to, presumably with the same punishments. Any ideology that must be enforced with the promise of death is intellectually bankrupt. Whether ISIS or the KSA, dissent will not be tolerated because the idea with which each operates cannot be reasonably supported and must be supported by the penalty of death if it is to survive.

As an example, you provided a reminder of the USS Liberty yet didn't invoke the USS Cole. To me this is a clear betrayal of your agenda here. We could both swap seemingly endless lists of atrocities, but for what purpose? Do you desire an existence where your voice is muted by the threat of death or an environment where your voice could be heard and protected by law? The West in general and the U.S. in particular is not Utopia, but on an individual level exponentially better than living within the constraints of an Islamic state.

I live in a country where burning the nation's flag was upheld under the idea of 'freedom of speech' and vigorously defended by our most conservative and religiously motivated Supreme Court Justice, Antonin Scalia. You defend nations where the mere thought of dissent is a criminal offense, the punishment for which is often corporeal, including death. How dare you even suggest that the ideals with we approach the disagreement approach equivalency?

(May 30, 2016 at 1:34 am)Bella Morte Wrote: Fuck Allah.

Bella, That cat of yours seems ready to pounce.
Let her go. I want to witness the carnage.