In case it wasn't obvious, that was a straw man Christian for comedy effect

(June 3, 2016 at 11:11 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: There is very little point in presenting a rational argument to a nihilistic absurdist that questions causality and the thinks things that don’t exist can do things.

LOL... A thing that doesn't exist, that can do things? Well - that's the best description of god I've ever heard...

(June 3, 2016 at 11:18 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: No atheist believes that something that does not exist can actually do anything.

I invite you to review Ex-Lax's posts. Despite his caginess, his objection to the the evidence I presented requires counter-evidence that he cannot produce because it is incoherent, i.e. that nonexistent things can cause change.

(June 4, 2016 at 10:26 am)ChadWooters Wrote:

(June 3, 2016 at 11:18 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: No atheist believes that something that does not exist can actually do anything.

I invite you to review Ex-Lax's posts. Despite his caginess, his objection to the the evidence I presented requires counter-evidence that he cannot produce because it is incoherent, i.e. that nonexistent things can cause change.

This is preposterous like your big bang statement ... it can be proposed that something that is not existent can cause change, but such an extraordinary statement requires extraordinary evidence. please supply such 

Note Professor Krauss proposes "something from nothing" not something from none existence  .... big difference ....

Dog.

(June 3, 2016 at 11:11 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: There is very little point in presenting a rational argument to a nihilistic absurdist that questions causality and the thinks things that don’t exist can do things.

I should maybe elaborate now I have cooled down .... you stated ....   by the way I am kindly assuming you meant "can't" or I would really wipe the floor with you ....

Science presently proposes that particles, maybe even universes pop in and out of existence .... zealots such as Intelligent design apologists, which I assume you are, jump on this as somehow proving a "God".

Because something jumps in and out of existence doesn't prove that they came from non existence (even if it could that would not prove a God).
 Where they pop in and out from is unknown as science isn't that far yet ... 

Lets put this simply .... something can pop into a room and out of a room, where it pops in from and out from could be many places, not just from where would suit your fairy tale .... 

If you or those you use as sources for "evidence" have empirical evidence that particles and or universes are popping in and out from non existence or the supernatural I congratulate you on your/their upcoming nobel prize.

Dog.

Only a theist could take a paradoxically absurd mystery and propose an even greater absurdity is the obvious answer.

When you have actual evidence of a God, Chad, then you can talk. In the final analysis you have an imaginary puzzle piece that supposedly fits a poorly understood puzzle. These 'arguments' you bandy about are only convincing to the desperate and weak-minded.

(June 4, 2016 at 6:56 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Only a theist could take a paradoxically absurd mystery and propose an even greater absurdity is the obvious answer....In the final analysis you have an imaginary puzzle piece that supposedly fits a poorly understood puzzle. These 'arguments' you bandy about are only convincing to the desperate and weak-minded.

Very clever rhetoric. I sure some will find it persuasive. Please remember that I have not yet presented any specific demonstration although I have, admittedly, alluded to it.

The issue at hand concerns whether a specific observation (that only actual objects can cause change) could be considered evidence for something. It is certainly evident to the senses. I’ve always thought that evidence meant just that: something, well, evident. I’ve never been bit by the dog my neighbor doesn’t have. Now maybe you have had different experiences of things that do and don’t exist. Maybe you can relate how one time you quenched your thirst with the contents of an empty cup. No?

Theists if your god existed... we don't send ourselves to hell your own god 
does.

(June 2, 2016 at 8:53 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:

(June 2, 2016 at 8:38 am)ChadWooters Wrote: This schoolboy objection must be the latest fad among atheists.

So god is present in Hell, then? Interesting. I guess Hell isn't really separation from god then, is it? Also, how does he dwell with all that iniquity in Hell, since the Bible says he...you know...can't.

Of there was a hell and GOD so chose to dwell there for whatever reason then It could. It could even go so far as to be there yet be unpercievable to the inhabitants.

Omnipotent

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

(June 4, 2016 at 10:23 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: I’ve never been bit by the dog my neighbor doesn’t have.

I wonder why that is.