PS - I have never said anything remotely sounding like climate denialism. I'm in school to be a horticulturalist, ffs. I sort of like the planet, considering it's my home here in the vastness of space and all.

It's the over-the-top language and human arrogance I think is ridiculous.

Here: I rag on conservatives all the time, but I equally loathe bleeding heart liberals who want to PC the place up and sit in drum circles singing kumbayah and pretending each tree has a dryad living in it. If the people who attend Earth Day rallies and "Save-the-Planet" gatherings are a measure of knowledge required to 'save' this floating blue ball, well...there's a lovely saying that goes "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

We have ways of eliminating or toning down the damage we DO inflict - but they're not politically expedient. That's partially an education problem, and partially an apathy problem, and I'd say a good deal a HUMAN problem because people who don't have enough to eat or barely a roof to sleep under, which is a good portion of the world's population, don't give a flying fuck what Al Gore has to say on energy usage.

(April 21, 2011 at 8:18 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: Considering he gets his news from FOX, I'm not surprised to hear the apocalyptic-type warnings.

Don't you ever research on your own? This isn't just covered on fox, and by the way I never watch tv because it's all brainwashing propaganda. I found this article on another website but the webpage got dropped and I had to search for the infromation on google. Fox was just the first one to pop up so don't be a jerk about it.

Quote:It's the over-the-top language and human arrogance I think is ridiculous.

Funny, I feel the same way about you.

Animals are at peace with nature except for us. We need to learn a balance, we cant take everything we want to do as we please because eventually their will be nothing to take.

Quote:We have ways of eliminating or toning down the damage we DO inflict - but they're not politically expedient. That's partially an education problem, and partially an apathy problem, and I'd say a good deal a HUMAN problem because people who don't have enough to eat or barely a roof to sleep under, which is a good portion of the world's population, don't give a flying fuck what Al Gore has to say on energy usage.

we have ways of "limiting" the damage we inflict but we do damage the planet. We do have enough food, wealth and homes for everyone in the world but aslong as there are rich people there will be poor and suffereing people. People are starving in the world because their governments have control over all the resources and they don't like sharing otherwise they wouldn't be in power. Rich people live off the backs of many poor and they don't give a shit otherwise they wouldn't be rich.

Anyways it doesn't matter, your better off rich and guilty then poor and innocent.

(April 21, 2011 at 4:34 pm)JohnDG Wrote: Don't you ever research on your own?

First of all, quit asking that question and the variants on it. My immediate reaction is "what are you, 5 years old?" and I don't want to be that way. Second, simmer down and start here:

http://www.amazon.com/Merchants-Doubt-Ha...207&sr=8-1

If you have the patience to wade through it, it'll be better for you to gnaw on rather than gnashing your teeth all over this board.

(April 21, 2011 at 4:34 pm)JohnDG Wrote: Animals are at peace with nature except for us. We need to learn a balance, we cant take everything we want to do as we please because eventually their will be nothing to take.

Nature reaches equilibriums, but that doesn't mean one species can't force another out - be it animal or vegetable.

Come visit me here and I'll take you around and then you tell me whether or not you think kudzu is "at peace" with anything.

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(April 21, 2011 at 4:34 pm)JohnDG Wrote: We do have enough food

No we don't. Even if we "share" we don't. It's part of what interested me in horticulture to begin with.

i think the problem is simply that the world is completely overpopulated.

with the enormous amount of people in the world it's no wonder we're overconsuming everything imaginable, oil, food, forests, metals etc.

(April 21, 2011 at 4:44 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote:

(April 21, 2011 at 4:34 pm)JohnDG Wrote: Don't you ever research on your own?

Quote:First of all, quit asking that question and the variants on it. My immediate reaction is "what are you, 5 years old?" and I don't want to be that way. Second, simmer down and start here:

You implied that I get my news from fox, why would that be? Because I supplied one link to it, there are dozens of less entertainment based, boring news channels that report the same thing's as fox. Just because fox has turned into entertainment instead of news, it doesn't me they don't report something real once in a while.

Quote:http://www.amazon.com/Merchants-Doubt-Ha...207&sr=8-1

If you have the patience to wade through it, it'll be better for you to gnaw on rather than gnashing your teeth all over this board.

(April 21, 2011 at 4:34 pm)JohnDG Wrote: Animals are at peace with nature except for us. We need to learn a balance, we cant take everything we want to do as we please because eventually their will be nothing to take.

Quote:Nature reaches equilibriums, but that doesn't mean one species can't force another out - be it animal or vegetable.

Naturally it happens on very small levels, nature didn't bring toads to austraillia or sweet clovers to america. What about the super algea taking over the ocean floor as a result from being genetically engineered to live in any fishtank.

Quote:Come visit me here and I'll take you around and then you tell me whether or not you think kudzu is "at peace" with anything.

Only if you visit me here and tell me our government isn't corrupt, that police don't arrest and hold you for no reason. Tell me if the ghetto poor people in the street aren't a direct result of the rich who drive around in jag's, porche's.

(April 21, 2011 at 4:34 pm)JohnDG Wrote: We do have enough food

No we don't. Even if we "share" we don't. It's part of what interested me in horticulture to begin with.

Oh so us american's are considered obese for no reason then. Thank you for letting me know that it was just a stereo type and that most of the overwieght people I see are like that naturally.

The viable parts of the world are overpopulated. No one wants to move to the ones that are less viable, for obvious reasons.

We're in need of solidarity and creativity.

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(April 21, 2011 at 5:07 pm)JohnDG Wrote: Oh so us american's are considered obese for no reason then. Thank you for letting me know that it was just a stereo type and that most of the overwieght people I see are like that naturally.

[sniff sniff]

Please tell me that's not the faint odor of red herring I'm smelling?

(April 21, 2011 at 5:07 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote:

(April 21, 2011 at 5:07 pm)JohnDG Wrote: Oh so us american's are considered obese for no reason then. Thank you for letting me know that it was just a stereo type and that most of the overwieght people I see are like that naturally.

[sniff sniff]

Please tell me that's not the faint odor of red herring I'm smelling?

Sorry it must be you, because I don't eat fish. It's horrible, make's me sick.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies...rring.html

Unless you can explain to me how America's obesity truly has anything to do with it.

Personally I like to think if more mothers encouraged their children to become Norman Borlaugs and spent less time shoveling food down their childrens' throats saying "there are starving children in Ethiopia!" we might have less of a problem.

In the meantime, my own garden isn't getting tended by itself. Ciao!

(April 21, 2011 at 1:30 pm)ib.me.ub Wrote: The UN can see the problem, but hey, its a conspiracy, we couldn't possibly be fucking the Worlds boisphere.

The United Nations IS the problem ibby.

WTF do you get conspiracy theory from kid??? Yes WE are an issue since WE hoomans all want to live in the fertile areas near the coast because of the climate and lifestyle...YOU going to live in bumfuck nowhere South Australia mate??? Oh nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo not you...but YOU 'care about the biosphere' bullshitting whinner.

As SummerQueen pointed out...the issues are political and apathetic it really is predator and prey out there...so much for the "fluffy bunny" kumbaya ethos of Living in Harmony. pppftt!

You are just getting all re-religious over this issue and as such are just a precipitate cos you sure ain't part of the solution mate

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(April 21, 2011 at 7:15 am)ib.me.ub Wrote: Very true johnDG, but some people just dont get it.

KichigaiNeko Wrote:...You are wasting time with your xtian beliefs....

wtf are you on about now. Christian beleifs have nothing to do with the environment.

Creationism (or cretinism if you like)

(April 21, 2011 at 7:15 am)ib.me.ub Wrote: The Christian elite in Australia have openly declared that the Green party is unholy.

The Greens' are NOT an environmentalist party they are a neo-nazi leftist party...I thought you new that???

(April 21, 2011 at 5:07 am)Zen Badger Wrote: We are in danger of wiping ourselves out (along with a significant fraction of the biosphere)

Yes we are...so have YOU retrofitted YOUR house?? Got a Storm water tank? Harvesting water from your roof?? Maintaining your own food supply? Bicycle to and from your places of study/ work/ recreation?

IF not ..... then WTF are you doing on your soap box??

try here http://permaculture.org.au/store/books_1.htm

and here http://permaculture.org.au/

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