(June 14, 2016 at 1:35 pm)madog Wrote:

(June 13, 2016 at 2:33 pm)Drich Wrote: Sin is sometimes described as a sickness. To put it another way, let's say I'm infected with the zombie virus, not a zombie (yet) just a carrier/someone who has the virus that can indeed infect others. Now, should I be allowed to co mingle with the rest of society or should I be separated??
 

If sin was a sickness, then it was a caught from an apple "God" left unprotected in his garden.

I know with children not to leave poison laying around regardless of whether I warned them or not ...

And even if one of my children drank a poison that I had an antedote for, I wouldn't be saying "Tell daddy you love him" or you won't get the antedote 

...I do not ascribe to the doctrine of original sin as it is not biblical supported. But eitherway let's say you did that would be the equivalent of everyone being born with the Zombie virus, so then should those who were born and refuse the vaccine should be allowed to co-mingle with those who had have been cured? Or again should they be separated?

If you want to blame God for the virus fine, but also acknowledge He has provided the cure.

So again, should the cured be force to spend eternity with those who could 'turn' on them at any moment, or should the infected be separated?

(June 14, 2016 at 2:56 pm)Drich Wrote:

(June 14, 2016 at 1:35 pm)madog Wrote: If sin was a sickness, then it was a caught from an apple "God" left unprotected in his garden.

I know with children not to leave poison laying around regardless of whether I warned them or not ...

And even if one of my children drank a poison that I had an antedote for, I wouldn't be saying "Tell daddy you love him" or you won't get the antedote 

...I do not ascribe to the doctrine of original sin as it is not biblical supported. But eitherway let's say you did that would be the equivalent of everyone being born with the Zombie virus, so then should those who were born and refuse the vaccine should be allowed to co-mingle with those who had have been cured? Or again should they be separated?

If you want to blame God for the virus fine, but also acknowledge He has provided the cure.

So again, should the cured be force to spend eternity with those who could 'turn' on them at any moment, or should the infected be separated?

Christians have so many interpretations its hard to keep up ...

Anyway I assume "God" and not you decide what is considered the sin/infection/poison?

So I'll state again, "if one of my children drank a poison that I had an antedote for, I wouldn't be saying "Tell daddy you love him" or you won't get the antidote"

I'll also point out that infection doesn't seem to include murderers/rapists/etc if they have been saved on their death beds? ....

So God will isolate those that haven't been saved, even very good people that did not worship him, yet lump all the murderers/rapists/priests/ministers/peado's/etc together because they worshiped him.

It appears your God just wants servitude and not goodness 

(June 14, 2016 at 11:20 am)alpha male Wrote:

(June 14, 2016 at 11:14 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: In your post you pointed out that I had not documented the chapters and verses of the scriptures I had mentioned. I came back and did just that. Every chapter and every verse. Now it is up to those reading this thread to decide for themselves. In doing so, I did exactly what I intended to do.

Incorrect. In my post I pointed out that you had not cited the Bible versions which render the Roman verse as "expecting me to act like a lifeless piece of clay."

And BTW it's not Romans 9:5, it's 9:20.

That verse, Romans 9:20, in my op is the verse which uses the words clay and potter in some translations and I did say it was in some translations. Here Paul is alluding to Isaiah 45:9.

Isaiah 45:9 New American Standard Wrote:"Woe to the one who quarrels with his Maker-- An earthenware vessel among the vessels of earth! Will the clay say to the potter, 'What are you doing?' Or the thing you are making say, 'He has no hands '?

I did include the chapter and verse in Romans so why do you say I did not? You pretend to see a god who isn't there and pretend not to see verses that are there. You're batty.

(June 14, 2016 at 12:51 pm)Thomas Kelly252525 Wrote: Rhondazvous,


My understanding is that a person may think after reading the chapter that false things said about God may have been put in The Bible by someone, deliberately with malice to mislead people.

Do you enjoy watching horror films ?

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If you believe the Bible was tapered with, how does that change my opinion of the book? An all powerful god should be able to protect his own word, maybe as much as he protected the people who were killed at that church in South Carolina.

(June 14, 2016 at 12:51 pm)Thomas Kelly252525 Wrote:

(June 14, 2016 at 11:02 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: So this guy Clement realized that the Bible was not enough to make people believe that 2 + 2 = 8, and decided to help god out with a more convincing argument. And you think if I would but read this then I too will agree that the wonton slaughter of thousands of human beings has its place in our spiritual education.

No, my friend, when your faith in god isn't shaken by such atrocities, all it proves is that the Stockholm Syndrome holds true to this day.

Rhondazvous,


My understanding is that a person may think after reading the chapter that false things said about God may have been put in The Bible by someone, deliberately with malice to mislead people.

Do you enjoy watching horror films ?

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Why would a perfect being allow his word be sullied?

(June 14, 2016 at 7:56 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote:

(June 14, 2016 at 12:51 pm)Thomas Kelly252525 Wrote: Rhondazvous,


My understanding is that a person may think after reading the chapter that false things said about God may have been put in The Bible by someone, deliberately with malice to mislead people.

Do you enjoy watching horror films ?

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Why would a perfect being allow his word be sullied?

Free will?

(June 18, 2016 at 7:07 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote:

(June 14, 2016 at 7:56 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote: Why would a perfect being allow his word be sullied?

Free will?

But then that begs another question. Why would the perfect being allow his power be diminished?

(June 19, 2016 at 5:26 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote:

(June 18, 2016 at 7:07 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: Free will?

But then that begs another question. Why would the perfect being allow his power be diminished?

Apparently, the people who claim this being is perfect define perfection rather loosely.

If I did a study, I might find that only 12 words in the bible mean what they say.

(June 14, 2016 at 2:56 pm)Drich Wrote: ...I do not ascribe to the doctrine of original sin as it is not biblical supported. But eitherway let's say you did that would be the equivalent of everyone being born with the Zombie virus, so then should those who were born and refuse the vaccine should be allowed to co-mingle with those who had have been cured? Or again should they be separated?

If you want to blame God for the virus fine, but also acknowledge He has provided the cure.

So again, should the cured be force to spend eternity with those who could 'turn' on them at any moment, or should the infected be separated?

Hola, Drich.

Question...

Do you believe your God is all-powerful and all-knowing, or simply the most-powerful and knows a hell of a lot? I often wonder what your thoughts are in regards to that matter when I read some of your responses. 

An honest answer would be appreciated.

(June 11, 2016 at 2:34 pm)Lek Wrote: You're just making unfounded suppositions.

Fuck you and your ignorance.