(June 14, 2016 at 4:46 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote:

(June 14, 2016 at 3:45 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Right here.  If you don't want to face reality that is not my problem.  But I'm not going to back off because you love the boys in blue.

I was just wondering which of my posts you were distorting to get "you think all cops are good" from. Nice strawman.

One of many.  If you can't explain your position better than you risk being misunderstood.  You'll have to deal with it.


BTW, "The 2nd isn't about sporting guns, it's about the ability of militiamen to have guns to defend the local area from marauding Indians and pirates."

It wasn't so much about Indians and pirates as it was about....

slavery.

http://lawreview.law.ucdavis.edu/issues/..._Bogus.pdf

Or rather, the need for James Madison to convince Virginia planters that the federal government would not prevent the state militia from putting down a slave revolt.

(June 14, 2016 at 4:57 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Scotus has routinely disagree with your assessment of what the 2nd amendment covers in today's america...woefully devoid of marauding pirates and indians, as a living document.

And if it wasn't "interpreted" that way it would be a dead letter for the gunners. Situational ethics in action.

(June 14, 2016 at 6:01 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(June 14, 2016 at 4:46 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote: I was just wondering which of my posts you were distorting to get "you think all cops are good" from. Nice strawman.

One of many.  If you can't explain your position better than you risk being misunderstood.  You'll have to deal with it.

You can't support your outright lies, got it.

(June 15, 2016 at 5:38 am)Gawdzilla Wrote: And if it wasn't "interpreted" that way it would be a dead letter for the gunners. Situational ethics in action.

..........?  Do you mean, here, that even if the constitution wasn't taken to be laying out our right to own a gun that  I would still feel that I have such a right?  OFC I would, 9th amendment.

Quote:The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

No, I mean people wrap themselves in the Constitution   because it has been interpreted in their favor, not because they respect and honor the institution.

OFC they're satisfied when things go their way?

I can't even understand why you think that's a problem in context...the constitution should be repeatedly and consistently interpreted in favor of our citizens and their rights.  That's kind of the point. I think that you're being ungenerous in any case. If we suddenly found guns banned, we wouldn't cease to be americans, we wouldn't stop being a demographic that waves the flag. We'd just be criminals, like so many others.

I'll have the guns I have until the day I die regardless of any law written, rewritten, interpreted, or reinterpreted (and my children will have those that remain serviceable..if they want them...and their children, so on and so forth for as long as it goes). Now you can say..if you like, that this means that I do not honor or respect the institution of law, or the constitution, but you'd be wrong...and I've got the cred to say that with confidence and certainty, I hope you extend it to me. I would not respect a gun ban, I would not honor gun banning laws. I would still wrap myself in the constitution in discussions like these...perhaps even more so, since I will have experienced what I consider to be an unjust loss of rights.

-which is exactly what those gunners you mentioned fear - mind you.

(June 15, 2016 at 5:38 am)Gawdzilla Wrote:

(June 14, 2016 at 6:01 pm)Minimalist Wrote: One of many.  If you can't explain your position better than you risk being misunderstood.  You'll have to deal with it.

You can't support your outright lies, got it.

Your problem, pal. Not mine.  The English language is your friend.  Use it.

Follow Up to Post #2497.

About what is to be expected from the cretins who watch FOX.


http://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/gretchen...f-f-bombs/

Quote:Gretchen Carlson doubles down on assault weapons ban after Fox viewers send ‘tons of F-bombs’

Quote:Fox News host Gretchen Carlson revealed on Wednesday that she was assailed with insults from Fox News viewers after she called to reinstate the assault weapons ban.

But even O'Reilly seems to have reached the breaking point.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/whats-go...-massacre/

Quote:What’s going on? Another Fox News host calls for assault weapon ban after Orlando massacre

What's a violent racist to do if even FOX abandons them?

(June 15, 2016 at 10:22 am)Rhythm Wrote: OFC they're satisfied when things go their way?

I can't even understand why you think that's a problem in context...the constitution should be repeatedly and consistently interpreted in favor of our citizens and their rights.  That's kind of the point.  I think that you're being ungenerous in any case.  If we suddenly found guns banned, we wouldn't cease to be americans, we wouldn't stop being a demographic that waves the flag.  We'd just be criminals, like so many others.

I'll have the guns I have until the day I die regardless of any law written, rewritten, interpreted, or reinterpreted (and my children will have those that remain serviceable..if they want them...and their children, so on and so forth for as long as it goes).  Now you can say..if you like, that this means that I do not honor or respect the institution of law, or the constitution, but you'd be wrong...and I've got the cred to say that with confidence and certainty, I hope you extend it to me.  I would not respect a gun ban, I would not honor gun banning laws.  I would still wrap myself in the constitution in discussions like these...perhaps even more so, since I will have experienced what I consider to be an unjust loss of rights.

-which is exactly what those gunners you mentioned fear - mind you.

The bolded part proves my point, thank you. 

As for "fearing gunners", show me where I'm not just worried about idiots and fanatics.

I'm sorry, but I don't see why it's even related to your point, honestly.  I -already- break laws, it doesn't mean I have less respect or honor for the constitution, or that my respect or honor is limited to those things which align with what I decide to do with my own personal life.

Fearing gunners fuck man, no...I'm telling you that a gun ban is what some gun owners, themselves, fear. lol. It would be an irrational fear, except that equally irrational people have equally irrational fantasies feeding into that fear.