(April 23, 2011 at 3:00 am)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:Min, the problem is that the media will pay more attention when a female being punished...

But I'm more concerned with the reason for the punishment, Ru. Not the gross numbers of how many thieves had their hands chopped off at the Saturday Night Public Punishment Session in Riyadh.



http://www.walrusmagazine.com/articles/2...op-square/

look all I can say about Saudis, is that the people there are living in tyranny. Most of the people are dumbed down and that's why most of the radical "Muslims" come from there. All I can say is, don't pay attention to these people because they lack education.

Hopefully in a couple months there will be changes in Arabia.

Education has something to do with it, but you can't put it all down to their lack of education, you can find examples of nations both contemporary and historical that have had equal or lesser levels of education and nowhere near as much violence, bigotry, intolerance and prosecution - The difference is the political, geographic, religious and cultural settings as well as some genetic impact.

(April 23, 2011 at 12:04 am)ruhollah Wrote: you said:

"Oh by the way, if you have sex with another guy during our marriage, I and the whole town will stone you to death like barbarians"

you left out the 4 witnesses in this quote

also if you don't want to discuss relationships, then don't bring up your GF as an example in these discussions

I used it as a hypothetical, I don't have a girlfriend..

And I said the FIRST post in this topic.

(April 22, 2011 at 2:54 pm)ruhollah Wrote: Hi

4+ witnesses at the same time at the same place
if it was a live sex act in a Muslim country and at least one of you is married and has a family, stoning is sentenced

this is called credibility,... you can't be a hypocrite and claim you follow this religion
in a religious society, the family and tight-knitted community is what is desired
If some members want to cheat on their wives and show it off to their community, then they will be punished for it if they're caught.

They have the option to DIVORCE, however these people found it convenient to cheat on their family and show it live to 4 or more people. Again you can't enjoy the benefits of a religious society and then be a hypocrite and cheat the community.

I don't know what kind of community you want to live in, but I would like to live in an environment where people are honest with one another and don't play head games, and cheat on one another. If people want to cheat on their families, then do it in a private/secure environment. Why do you want to show it LIVE to 4 or people? This is a civilized community, not a pig farm.

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Have you considered that maybe these 4 "witnesses" could be LYING ? All they need is 4 people to agree on a story and they can have ANYONE killed since your religion doesnt not ask for any other proof. Don't be a fool and think those witnesses are always trustworthy...If a tribunal asked for 4 witnesses and nothing else for a death sentence for ADULTERY, it would be considered complete insanity and contrary to every Human Right. Civilized societies don't kill people over sex. That's all.

And just because it's the rule, does not make this rule good. "Hurting the community", making someone sad, is not enough to warrant death ! Thinking so is simply primitive and barbaric.

And you seem thoroughly convinced it is normal and acceptable to do that. You are insane.

(April 23, 2011 at 3:33 am)ruhollah Wrote:

(April 23, 2011 at 3:00 am)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:Min, the problem is that the media will pay more attention when a female being punished...

But I'm more concerned with the reason for the punishment, Ru. Not the gross numbers of how many thieves had their hands chopped off at the Saturday Night Public Punishment Session in Riyadh.



http://www.walrusmagazine.com/articles/2...op-square/

look all I can say about Saudis, is that the people there are living in tyranny. Most of the people are dumbed down and that's why most of the radical "Muslims" come from there. All I can say is, don't pay attention to these people because they lack education.

Hopefully in a couple months there will be changes in Arabia.

This seems to be an affliction of ALL muslim countries.... So sad

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(April 23, 2011 at 12:45 am)Rayaan Wrote:

(April 23, 2011 at 12:04 am)ruhollah Wrote: The goal of this religion is to protect individuals, their homes, businesses, community and environment. This religion demands discipline so people behave honestly with one another like real men and women.

If those committing live adultery (again in front of 4 people which is realistically is so rare that it doesn't even happen in a porn studio) go unpunished, the victims will start questioning this religion. How can this religion and the community be so cruel to let their coward parent go free...etc.

Well said. The punishment laws in Shariah are mainly for the purpose of protecting society from the insecurity caused by criminals and by certain actions of individuals.

Similarly, the philosophical basis of Western law is not punishment but reform. Prisons were initially created with the Christian Puritan notion that if people were isolated from the rest of society and forced to reflect upon their crimes, they would emerge reformed individuals who are no longer a threat to society. Prisons are a way in which society is protected from the crimes of people whom the society no longer trusts to uphold the social contract.

So what you are saying is that your respective countries are full of such stupid, moronic and unthinking people that they NEED this sort of primitive set of rules and regulations that the rest of the planets countries have out grown?? So sad

Women who have 'taken the veil' are a sad indictment of the bestiality of the men folk of their country. Clearly males ARE the problem?

(April 23, 2011 at 3:06 am)theVOID Wrote:

(April 22, 2011 at 1:13 am)Cinjin Cain Wrote: How is it that every religious person on here defending their religion ALWAYS says the exact same thing...
"I'm not THAT kind of Muslim, or I'm not THAT kind of Christian"

It's perfectly legitimate, unless you can find some direct preachment that caused or influenced the actions then using the reasoning "That's not part of my faith" is valid. So far as I can tell there was no religious support for his actions. It's unfortunate for Muslims in the sense that this man's associations are going to cause some twats elsewhere in the world to reinforce their negative stereotypes while as usual ignoring that over 1 billion people of the same faith are rather ethical.

You are correct - it was not stated that Islam was directly responsible for the murder of his wife. If that makes me a twat than so be it. You could not for even a moment convince me that most muslims are rather ethical. What a joke. The overwhelming majority treat their women like property to be mistreated and discarded on even the slightest offense. The stonings, the amputations, the raping and maming (and bombing) of innocent people in the name of Allah - Repulsive.
Judging them all too harshly may very well be a black mark on my record. On a scale of wrong-doing, I'll take that any day over the atrocities that that religion is still responsible for to this very day.



Read this thread. It's APPALLING what that dick is trying to justify in the name of Islam.

(April 22, 2011 at 4:55 pm)ruhollah Wrote:

(April 22, 2011 at 4:28 pm)Cinjin Cain Wrote: You're thinking of England pal ... and even if thats true its apples and fucking oranges.
#1 in an English pistol duel ... it was between two MEN and #2, one of those MEN wasn't BURIED IN THE FUCKING GROUND AND THAN BASHED WITH ROCKS BY AN ENTIRE CROWD YOU DOUCHEBAG!!

Nothing you can EVER say can EVER justify your country's barbaric practices. Fucking Neanderthals in towels!

look...

I said it before, stoning is a community punishment........

Clearly, some targets would try to escape if they weren't buried, burying them in the ground will prevent them from being a moving target

Secondly, you can have everyone bring a pistol or some sort of fire arm. A bullet can be considered a stone, however from a logistic stand point it is cheaper and far more efficient to throw a stone.

Lethal injection/electric chair/guillotine/Crucifixion/hanging can't work, because no one can participate. If you can come up with a punishment that the whole community can participate in, please do so....

How about stop trying to come up with bullshit examples and excuses of how it is ok to stone a person to death and actually see how fucked up the act is? Backwards as fuck.

how about you guys tell me a punishment for adultery

if no punishment, then tell me what we can do for affected victims

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(April 23, 2011 at 1:51 pm)Cinjin Cain Wrote: Read this thread. It's APPALLING what that dick is trying to justify in the name of Islam.

Listen this religion is aimed to build real men and real women who are respectful to one another and no bs/head-games goes on in a relationship.

If you don't like it, then don't complain. A billion people seem to be living fine following these principles.

(April 23, 2011 at 3:04 pm)ruhollah Wrote: how about you guys tell me a punishment for adultery

if no punishment, then tell me what we can do for affected victims

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(April 23, 2011 at 1:51 pm)Cinjin Cain Wrote: Read this thread. It's APPALLING what that dick is trying to justify in the name of Islam.

Listen this religion is aimed to build real men and real women who are respectful to one another and no bs/head-games goes on in a relationship.

If you don't like it, then don't complain. A billion people seem to be living fine following these principles.

There should be no punishment for adultery. It's clearly a bad act, but to then say people should be punished or stoned to death is ridiculous. Why does there have to be vengeance? Why can't the parties simply go their separate ways as if it has come to adultery, clearly the relationship isn't working.

O yea, Islamic nations are well known for being the safest, happiest, tolerant, equal and advanced nations in the world aren't they?

(April 23, 2011 at 3:22 pm)Skipper Wrote: There should be no punishment for adultery. It's clearly a bad act, but to then say people should be punished or stoned to death is ridiculous. Why does there have to be vengeance? Why can't the parties simply go their separate ways as if it has come to adultery, clearly the relationship isn't working.

Well the thing is, the religion gives plenty of opportunities to avoid the death sentence. It is there to deter the act from occurring, and people don't question the family institution nor the religion. Its all about credibility.

Quote:O yea, Islamic nations are well known for being the safest, happiest, tolerant, equal and advanced nations in the world aren't they?

They were back when Europe was living in the dark age. But when they found and CONQUERED a new land near by with abundance of resources things changed.

All I have to say is that these nations rise and fall, right now they are in a ditch and 500 years things can be different. In fact we are seeing that much of the Asian countries are now the most advanced nations on the planet, while the western nations are falling behind.

Therefore, things change... don't let materialistic technology influence you into making bias judgment.

In fact when a country like USA was rising to become a super power, they had a free and deeply religious society as the back bone of the country. In fact, the simple and honest way the people of middle America lived is very similar to how the people of middle east live today.