http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/18/europe/rad...index.html

Quote:Islamists attack Radiohead fans at Turkish release party

Quote:(CNN)An angry mob has attacked a small record shop in Istanbul during a Radiohead listening party for drinking in the holy month of Ramadan.

Amateur video -- reported to have been live streamed on Periscope -- appears to have captured the incident. In the video the unidentified attackers reportedly entered the store shouting "close it, close it down" aggressively as event attendees were listening to Radiohead's newly launched "A Moon Shaped Pool."

Honestly, I wouldn't know "Radiohead" if I fell over them.  But I already like them better than these muslim pricks.

(June 18, 2016 at 5:11 pm)Minimalist Wrote: [...]Honestly, I wouldn't know "Radiohead" if I fell over them. [...]

(June 18, 2016 at 5:11 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Honestly, I wouldn't know "Radiohead" if I fell over them.  But I already like them better than these muslim pricks.

Thanks to Erdogan, Turkey goes down the shitter for quite some time now. Apart from him silencing every national opposition, he first sponsored the Islamists and then declared war on them - along with the Kurds. The only really motivated and half secular opposition to Isis in Iraq and Syria. But you know, one of our allies. It's not as if that was the first shithead to be supported, until it hits the fan.

"Jehovah.....Jehovah....."

"WE WILL KILL YOU FOR INSULTING THE RELIGION OF PEACE"

That's the first sign of trouble - don't trust people who can't recognize irony.

It's also why the concept of 'Islamophobia' is a joke - a phobia is an irrational fear or dislike. Anyone who can't think of a rational reason to fear or dislike Islam - especially as it is practiced today - is living in a cave.

(June 18, 2016 at 5:41 pm)Veritas_Vincit Wrote: It's also why the concept of 'Islamophobia' is a joke - a phobia is an irrational fear or dislike. Anyone who can't think of a rational reason to fear or dislike Islam - especially as it is practiced today - is living in a cave.

Want to form an informed opinion on Turkey? Wanna bet what the ones attending the concert were?

The irony of irrational fear and dislike gets even bigger when ignorance makes such a strong appearance.

(June 18, 2016 at 5:43 pm)abaris Wrote:

(June 18, 2016 at 5:41 pm)Veritas_Vincit Wrote: It's also why the concept of 'Islamophobia' is a joke - a phobia is an irrational fear or dislike. Anyone who can't think of a rational reason to fear or dislike Islam - especially as it is practiced today - is living in a cave.

Want to form an informed opinion on Turkey? Wanna bet what the ones attending the concert were?

The irony of irrational fear and dislike gets even bigger when ignorance makes such a strong appearance.

I have an idea where you might be coming from. On the face of it, Islamophobia seems plausible - the idea is that it's a mask for racism and bigotry under the guise of religion. I would concede that there are probably some ignorant racists whose concept of Islam does not distinguish between a religion, a culture and 'brown people in beards and burkhas coming over here and stealing our jobs' as they would think of it. But that distinction is VITAL - those people are racists, they are bigots, but they are not 'Islamophobes'. 

The concept of 'Islamophobia' actively reinforces this conflation of the Ideology and doctrine with a culture and a 'race' of people. This IS a racist view. And what's worse is that it gets you to the situation we are in now, where almost nobody can criticise Islam publicly for fear of being labelled a racist and a bigot. This is why Trump is so popular - when you shut down rational criticism of a set of ideas, the people who have genuine concerns about them have no one to turn to but the right wing extremists who don't give a crap. If Obama and Hilary talked plainly about Islamic fundamentalism being a problem, rather than heaping it all on 'ISIL' and repeating the obvious lie that "Islam is a religion of peace" then people like Trump would get a lot less support.

Seems clear to me that there were Muslims listening to Radiohead, not just Muslims attacking the listeners.

(June 18, 2016 at 6:03 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Seems clear to me that there were Muslims listening to Radiohead, not just Muslims attacking the listeners.

If a religion will attack you for not adhering to their ideals the fact of whether they attack people of their own religion or another religion, for not adhering to their ideals, is immaterial .... there is something wrong with that religious ideal ...

(June 18, 2016 at 6:03 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Seems clear to me that there were Muslims listening to Radiohead, not just Muslims attacking the listeners.

Pretty good guess. But some people tend to not look at the obvious.

(June 18, 2016 at 6:26 pm)madog Wrote: If a religion will attack you for not adhering to their ideals the fact of whether they attack people of their own religion or another religion, for not adhering to their ideals, is immaterial .... there is something wrong with that religious ideal ...

Is that any different with any radical religious believes? Bombing or shooting up abortion clinics anyone? Spitting on indecently dressed little girls in Jerusalem anyone? Not respecting the Shabbes anyone?