(June 21, 2016 at 2:33 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote:

(June 21, 2016 at 1:36 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote: Sheed, you got to remember something, we didn't believe your bullshit the first time, the second time, the third time, right now and we'll not believe it any time you produce it in future.

And that is ur prerogative. But just because u don't believe it doesn't mean it's not true. The truth will always prevail whether u believe it or not. So I'm not trying to make u believe in the Qur'an as God's word, that is not in my power to do. But I do show that the miracles of the Qur'an is factual
knowledge from The Most High, which neither u nor anyone else, whether u believe it or not, can say is untrue.

Sheed one of the characteristics of bullshit is that it is not true. And we've shown conclusively that all you are peddling with is bullshit. We've shown that all you've got is post hoc (ie after the discoveries were made scientifically) superficial similiarites between what we know and what was written in the pile of sandpapery bogroll you call the qu'ran, quite a lot of which is torturously come by (for example by counting the numbers of time word x is mentioned and then dividing it by the number of times word y is mentioned, both words chosen arbitrarily, to come to a rough approximation of a ratio discovered scientifically). You've never been able to point to a discovery by the qu'ran which was made before the equivalent scientific discovery was made.

And until you do, your bullshit is false, with no amount of your whining being able to say otherwise.

(June 21, 2016 at 2:39 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote:

(June 21, 2016 at 8:23 am)Stimbo Wrote: That's not a pathway to truth; pointing out parts of the claim doesn't substantiate the claim as a whole any more than does my saying that Darth Vader existed in history because of the phrase "a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away".

So who besides The Most High God Almighty, had this knowledge of these true factual statements, about science and astronomy, and mathematics in the 7th century, when technology (microscopes, telescopes, computers, man-made satellites etc.) did not exist?

That's your case to make, not mine. I'm not doing your work for you. Saying "if it's not god-magic then how do you explain it" is textbook argument from ignorance and merely indicates that you don't really have a good position and probably know it.

(June 21, 2016 at 5:25 am)Aractus Wrote:

(June 21, 2016 at 3:51 am)Sheed1980 Wrote: Modern science has only recently proven that the water covers 71.111% of the Earth, while the land covers 28.889% totaling EXACTLY 100%. So this is water on the Earth's surface. Not rain and snow and ice and glaciers but the water that actually covers the surface of the Earth is EXACTLY 71.111%. At the center of the Earth is the core, which has two parts. The solid, inner core of iron has a radius of about 760 miles (about 1,220 km). It is surrounded by a liquid, outer core composed of a nickel-iron alloy. Sep 26, 2012. The inner core of IRON is the EXACT MIDDLE of the Earth just as Chapter 57 Al-Hadyd " The Iron" is EXACTLY the middle of The Qur'an. So I appreciate u sharing that with me because it helped me to become more knowledgeable of the differences between the inner and outer core of our planet. However u still see from this scientific knowledge listed here The EXACT center of the Earth does consist of IRON which is one of the miracles that was listed. So I thank u my friend for supporting my point.

All of that shit you've just regurgitated is incorrect. The earth has about 71% of its surface covered by water (where are you seeing 71.11%?) but that's only if you include ice and snow, including the polar ice caps. I provided a link which breaks it down for you. The earth's core is iron-nickel and solid, not iron and liquid. There is no "exact" middle of the earth since the earth is not a perfect sphere.

This all reminds me of numerology, the notion of chance coincidences:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerology

In any case, back to reality:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structure_of_the_Earth

(June 21, 2016 at 2:39 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote:

(June 21, 2016 at 8:23 am)Stimbo Wrote: That's not a pathway to truth; pointing out parts of the claim doesn't substantiate the claim as a whole any more than does my saying that Darth Vader existed in history because of the phrase "a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away".

So who besides The Most High God Almighty, had this knowledge of these true factual statements, about science and astronomy, and mathematics in the 7th century, when technology (microscopes, telescopes, computers, man-made satellites etc.) did not exist?

The ancient Greeks.

(June 21, 2016 at 3:03 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote: Just to play devil's advocate let's say I agree with u that the core is nickel and IRON. U still see the element of IRON in the core. Now if u proved to me that the core does not contain IRON at all then my statement would be useless. But it is very interesting to see that IRON is in the core. Just because the Earth isn't a perfect sphere doesn't mean it doesn't have an exact center. We as humans aren't shaped perfectly as a particular shape but I guarantee there is some point in each of our bodies that is our EXACT CENTER. Then u dug urself an even deeper hole to climb out of when u said The Earth surface is ABOUT 71% covered in water. 71.111% is ABOUT 71% less than .1% difference that's really close to or as u say ABOUT 71%. here's the link to verify the scientific confirmation of that water.usgs.gov/edu/earthhowmuch.html

So what I said was true: you're just peddling bullshit. You said the earth had EXACTLY 71.11% of its surface covered by water, and I've pointed out to you that number includes ice and snow which add ~1.7% to that number, meaning the amount of liquid water on the surface of the earth is between 69-70%. Let me reiterate this to you: under the 71% figure, Mt Everest the highest point on the planet is counted as covered by water not land. Antarctica is considered to be the driest continent; yet under the the calculation you're using it's 100% covered in water! The 71% figure only tells you where the world's water is - some of it is in glaciers, some of it in permafrost, some of it is snow, a tiny bit of it is in the atmosphere, most of it is in the oceans, and some of it is fresh water. If you're going to count all the states of H2O then it becomes apparent that the whole world is covered in  a mist containing water vapour. If you're going to count LIQUID WATER which is what we mean when we say water, then the earth is ~69-70 covered in it. Adding snow and ice to that number is completely misleading. As I said, no matter what number the Qu'ran came up with (and it doesn't come up with any such number anyway), you can use a whole variety of calculations to come to whatever number it says.

(June 22, 2016 at 12:45 am)Aractus Wrote:

(June 21, 2016 at 3:03 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote: Just to play devil's advocate let's say I agree with u that the core is nickel and IRON. U still see the element of IRON in the core. Now if u proved to me that the core does not contain IRON at all then my statement would be useless. But it is very interesting to see that IRON is in the core. Just because the Earth isn't a perfect sphere doesn't mean it doesn't have an exact center. We as humans aren't shaped perfectly as a particular shape but I guarantee there is some point in each of our bodies that is our EXACT CENTER. Then u dug urself an even deeper hole to climb out of when u said The Earth surface is ABOUT 71% covered in water. 71.111% is ABOUT 71% less than .1% difference that's really close to or as u say ABOUT 71%. here's the link to verify the scientific confirmation of that water.usgs.gov/edu/earthhowmuch.html

So what I said was true: you're just peddling bullshit. You said the earth had EXACTLY 71.11% of its surface covered by water, and I've pointed out to you that number includes ice and snow which add ~1.7% to that number, meaning the amount of liquid water on the surface of the earth is between 69-70%. Let me reiterate this to you: under the 71% figure, Mt Everest the highest point on the planet is counted as covered by water not land. Antarctica is considered to be the driest continent; yet under the the calculation you're using it's 100% covered in water! The 71% figure only tells you where the world's water is - some of it is in glaciers, some of it in permafrost, some of it is snow, a tiny bit of it is in the atmosphere, most of it is in the oceans, and some of it is fresh water. If you're going to count all the states of H2O then it becomes apparent that the whole world is covered in  a mist containing water vapour. If you're going to count LIQUID WATER which is what we mean when we say water, then the earth is ~69-70 covered in it. Adding snow and ice to that number is completely misleading. As I said, no matter what number the Qu'ran came up with (and it doesn't come up with any such number anyway), you can use a whole variety of calculations to come to whatever number it says.

Look the more u try to come up with excuses and negate the true numbers, the further u try to push away from the truth. So u can try to sugarcoat it and add snow and ice and rain and hail and water vapor and Antarctica as water and so on and so on and so on. BOTTOM LINE MY FRIEND. God Almighty knows the truth and put it in the Qur'an first revealed in the 7th century which is now to this day, over 1400 years later PROVEN AS UNDENIABLE FACT that these numbers and percentages are what exist. Now whether u understand it or accept it or not....that's up to u and doesn't really matter because the proof is in the pudding and the Qur'an with truth with always prevail.

(June 21, 2016 at 9:44 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(June 21, 2016 at 2:39 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote: So who besides The Most High God Almighty, had this knowledge of these true factual statements, about science and astronomy, and mathematics in the 7th century, when technology (microscopes, telescopes, computers, man-made satellites etc.) did not exist?

The ancient Greeks.

Good answer my friend. But since the Ancient Greeks that u refer to with this scientific knowledge, didn't come into existence until after Islam (the 7th century), The knowledge had to exist with some higher being before. God Himself

(June 21, 2016 at 8:26 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(June 21, 2016 at 2:39 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote: So who besides The Most High God Almighty, had this knowledge of these true factual statements, about science and astronomy, and mathematics in the 7th century, when technology (microscopes, telescopes, computers, man-made satellites etc.) did not exist?

That's your case to make, not mine. I'm not doing your work for you. Saying "if it's not god-magic then how do you explain it" is textbook argument from ignorance and merely indicates that you don't really have a good position and probably know it.

Well that's the thing with God. He is All-Powerful. He doesn't use magic or deception. He tells us in the Qur'an: When He determines a matter He only says to it "Be" and it is. No one else has ever been able to nor will ever be able to do that. That is All-Powerful

(June 22, 2016 at 4:23 am)Sheed1980 Wrote:

(June 21, 2016 at 8:26 pm)Stimbo Wrote: That's your case to make, not mine. I'm not doing your work for you. Saying "if it's not god-magic then how do you explain it" is textbook argument from ignorance and merely indicates that you don't really have a good position and probably know it.

Well that's the thing with God. He is All-Powerful. He doesn't use magic or deception. He tells us in the Qur'an: When He determines a matter He only says to it "Be" and it is. No one else has ever been able to nor will ever be able to do that. That is All-Powerful

Why should we give a rat's ass what your fictional god says or claims in some book? The fact that it's written somewhere doesn't make it true.

(June 22, 2016 at 4:20 am)Sheed1980 Wrote:

(June 21, 2016 at 9:44 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: The ancient Greeks.

Good answer my friend. But since the Ancient Greeks that u refer to with this scientific knowledge, didn't come into existence until after Islam (the 7th century), The knowledge had to exist with some higher being before. God Himself

I think you have a sign error in your calculation. All the ground-breaking Greek stuff was in years BC, Islam was created AD. Eratosthenes had already measured the circumference of earth when all things Islam weren't going to be around for nearly another thousand years

How can you know so little and yet speak with so much confidence?