(June 24, 2016 at 10:14 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(June 24, 2016 at 10:09 am)Little Rik Wrote: Everything is moving and changing so a human may lose his humanity and a dog may acquire humanity.

Right? I didn't know dogs could play Dark Souls.

(June 24, 2016 at 11:05 am)Losty Wrote:

(June 24, 2016 at 10:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: It seems that the time stop for you.
The reality is that nothing really stop.
A human being can born pure and very good but later on he-she may become nasty and cruel.
An other person can born nasty and cruel but after sometime he-she may become pure and perfect.
Other people may change only a little in any case everybody change.

If a nasty person would come to me asking for help to sort out his mental problems I surely will help
so no I can not be blamed to treat anyone as subhuman but at the same time I would clearly say to that person that his-her conduct and behavior is not human.

Take that idiot that in this forum say that my mother is a whore.
As far as he is not repented I will treat him as a subhuman person.
The day that he may be repented I will change my mind and treat him as a human again.
That is what I mean with things changing.
The clock of time may go either way as far as progress or regress consciousness speaking.  

Whether someone is nasty or nice is completely irrelevant to whether he is human. If you treat any person as subhuman for any reason then you are just as nasty and cruel as they might be or possibly worse. It doesn't make you subhuman it just makes you morally inferior. Keep studying I hope your English improves. <-- that's genuine encouragement by the way. I'm not mocking you. The more you work at it the better you'll get.

Didn't I said that your clock stop?  

Motivations and action change the consciousness in good or bad.
If what you think and do wouldn't change ourselves then you would be correct but that is not how the system works.
The whole system works in such a way that we are affected by what we think and do.
This is a reality Los therefore what is human one day may become a devil in human form the next day and a devil in human form today may become a saint tomorrow.
The clock of life never stop.
If you think otherwise you just fool yourself.  
Let us do a deal Los.
You teach me English and I teach you how the whole system work.
Deal?  

Ok, but first, can you proof there's a such thing as a devil?

(June 25, 2016 at 7:11 am)Losty Wrote: Ok, but first, can you proof there's a such thing as a devil?

What about Omar Mateen or the IS that throw gays down toll buildings?      

I see no compelling evidence that those are not human beings. You're not good at this evidence thing.

(June 25, 2016 at 7:29 am)Losty Wrote: I see no compelling evidence that those are not human beings. You're not good at this evidence thing.

Let us do something dear.  
Let us do a poll and see how many people agree with me and how many with you but wait a minute Los.
The poll must be independent not run by atheists.
Deal?  

(June 25, 2016 at 7:38 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(June 25, 2016 at 7:29 am)Losty Wrote: I see no compelling evidence that those are not human beings. You're not good at this evidence thing.

Let us do something dear.  
Let us do a poll and see how many people agree with me and how many with you but wait a minute Los.
The poll must be independent not run by atheists.
Deal?  

Ok so no evidence at all then? That's what I thought.

(June 25, 2016 at 7:45 am)Losty Wrote:

(June 25, 2016 at 7:38 am)Little Rik Wrote: Let us do something dear.  
Let us do a poll and see how many people agree with me and how many with you but wait a minute Los.
The poll must be independent not run by atheists.
Deal?  

Ok so no evidence at all then? That's what I thought.

Oh, I see.

You say that by looking at a body you automatically know that that belong to a human being, right?
Can you also give evidence that by looking at his-her consciousness you know that they are humans.

Oh, wait a minute Los.
How are you able to see their consciousness?
Oh, I see that is not important, right?
Is the body that is important, right.
Oh wait a minute Los.
Now I am very confused.
After all the consciousness is not that important, right?    

Oh, yes now I know.  
The consciousness is a product of the brain like atheists say.
Sure, sure.  

(June 25, 2016 at 7:59 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(June 25, 2016 at 7:45 am)Losty Wrote: Ok so no evidence at all then? That's what I thought.

Oh, I see.

You say that by looking at a body you automatically know that that belong to a human being, right?
Can you also give evidence that by looking at his-her consciousness you know that they are humans.

Oh, wait a minute Los.
How are you able to see their consciousness?
Oh, I see that is not important, right?
Is the body that is important, right.
Oh wait a minute Los.
Now I am very confused.
After all the consciousness is not that important, right?    

Oh, yes now I know.  
The consciousness is a product of the brain like atheists say.
Sure, sure.  

I'm still not seeing any evidence Enrico. This is not very impressive. Get back to me whenever you have some evidence ok. Doesn't even have to be evidence that a person can become subhuman. Just give some evidence for the existence of devils.

(June 25, 2016 at 8:04 am)Losty Wrote:

(June 25, 2016 at 7:59 am)Little Rik Wrote: Oh, I see.

You say that by looking at a body you automatically know that that belong to a human being, right?
Can you also give evidence that by looking at his-her consciousness you know that they are humans.

Oh, wait a minute Los.
How are you able to see their consciousness?
Oh, I see that is not important, right?
Is the body that is important, right.
Oh wait a minute Los.
Now I am very confused.
After all the consciousness is not that important, right?    

Oh, yes now I know.  
The consciousness is a product of the brain like atheists say.
Sure, sure.  

I'm still not seeing any evidence Enrico. This is not very impressive. Get back to me whenever you have some evidence ok. Doesn't even have to be evidence that a person can become subhuman. Just give some evidence for the existence of devils.

According to religious people devil is the guy down in their created hell that torture sinners for eternity.
To me devil is a way to describe someone whose consciousness has sunk in the sewer.
In other words it means that he-she no longer deserve to be called human.
My belief is that in the next reincarnation he-she will have to be reborn in an animal body or worse
in the matter.
But again this is my belief.
Good luck with your beliefs.
Ciao.