(June 26, 2016 at 3:44 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: It's easy to say when you aren't being violently oppressed and have a pretty easy life (I don't know whether or not that's the case with you, I'm just saying it.)

Not really. Not saying I expect people to not be violent and not even saying I never would if I got desperate enough as a matter of survival. I'm just saying what people would do is different to what they should do and I hope I never would resort to violence even if my survival instinct felt I had to.

(June 26, 2016 at 6:50 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: There wasn't hunger in the UK before the EU (after WWII) and there won't be after they are out. You are acting like withdrawing from the U.N. means A. That far-right parties automatically get control of Britain. That's obviously not the case, since they don't have control of Britain now. The people there aren't in favor of that, they just want out of the E.U. Also assuming that somehow withdrawing from the E.U. means there won't be any trade between the UK and the EU, even though that's just not true at all. I don't see how you could possibly assume that it'll effect their food supply. Actually it might even help, since the EU has silly anti-GMO laws and now Britain will have greater access to the worlds number one producer of food, which is the United States. The EU doesn't grow very much food anyway.

Hunger is the UK. lol. Why do people have to have so much hyperbole about everything.

Who said anything about production of food?

You do realise that food costs money and that money can be exchanged for goods and services don't you? And that in order to obtain money you need a job?

We already have a real need for food banks in the UK

https://www.trusselltrust.org/

Food banks see 'shocking' rise in number of users


This is not hyperbole. Everything I have stated has been backed up by evidence. We know the Tories are trying to get rid of worker's rights to stimulate the economy. We know that the younger generation are already plagued by zero hours contract. We know that central to the Tories trying to renegotiate their deal with the EU was removal of the Working Time Directive. We know what the EU working Time Directive gives us. We know that there has been a massive rise in food bank use in the last few years.

(June 26, 2016 at 6:50 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Also those links don't say anything like what you are claiming, it's just a link to a single UK law that doesn't have anything to do with the EU anyway, why is that going anywhere? Hardly evidence that workers rights are going to diminish in a country that has had very strong workers rights long before the EU even existed.

You obviously haven't read those links I posted. What link is referring to a single UK law? The link  about the EU Time Directive?

CapnAwesome,

Yes we can still trade with the EU. No it won't be easier now that we're not part of it.

Talking about food production though, farmers won't be given payments from the Common Agricultural Policy now to insulate them from the peaks and troughs of the market. This won't lead to hunger but it will lead to many farmers going out of business.

I don't see how "we can still trade with the EU" is an advantage when we can trade with the EU more freely when we're part of it

(June 27, 2016 at 3:15 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: I don't see how "we can still trade with the EU" is an advantage when we can trade with the EU more freely when we're part of it

And have voice, veto and influence. Which associated countries don't have.

I wonder how fucked this country has to get before the Leavers admit to themselves that they were wrong. And when they do I wonder how many will admit to others.