Quote:The laws of Islam are forever kept in the Quran as these verses state:

Good. Keep them in there and throw away the key. Then throw away the book.

Throw away the thing you threw it away into.

Then throw up on it.

Now, I've lurked this thread, I like it a lot, and I yet again observed a pattern among theists; the ones I've seen always seem to be clinging onto a meaning and purpose to life and extend it further out so everything must have a higher purpose or meaning.

Anyway, on a more relevant note, this is mostly directed to MK. So I used to be a muslim around 2 years ago alright and I am familiar with true dreams, they are short and precise, more common among believers. And my dad was raised in a mosque, he had read the Qur'an at least 50 times (he was old, funnily enough, he stopped being religious/a muslim and mentioned some barbaric stuff in the Qur'an like cutting the hands of a thief off but he still believed in Adam and Eve etc.) The role my dad plays in this is he had a book to interpret dreams. I had a short and precise dream, it was a good dream, made me feel good. I was me, in my room, I died and the next moment I was looking at a garden, I was in heaven. Thereafter I saw my dad when I was in my "soul form" floating around, he was in his room reading a book as usual and he saw me. The dream ended there. It was short and precise and made me feel better,  that is considered a true dream in islamic terms.
When I woke up I went to my dad and he interpreted the dream, he said it was a good sign and he was happy. I became an atheist after not too long because I can tell all that bs has no meaning to it, it all originates in my brain, there's nothing holy to it.

The description of a true dream fits my dream. 

Now tell me, how does an atheist go to heaven?

Respect for leaving Islam!

(July 4, 2016 at 8:57 am)Veritas_Vincit Wrote: Respect for leaving Islam!

Felt much better, felt like I was released from chains. Now I can masturbate, drink blood and sacrifice goats with no remorse.

I find it funny when people think one becomes an atheist to live a sinful life, no. I became an atheist after using reason and logic while searching for evidence for Islam.

Seconded, nice job

Only once you're outside can you see the ball and chain round everyone's ankles.

(July 4, 2016 at 11:07 am)robvalue Wrote: Seconded, nice job

Only once you're outside can you see the ball and chain round everyone's ankles.

Yeah, I can see how ridiculous religious people can be now, and I used to be like them. The funniest thing is when two muslims fight and both of em' think God are protecting them, whos side is Allah on? The one who prayed the best?
And what many of them don't realise is they're also feeling chained up and without freedom without realising because of their religions. They cope with it by adapting the religion to fit their lifestyle, e.g some say it's okay not to pray aslong as you're a good person and believe in god, some say you can fast for a day and all your sins will be forgiven. It's awful and horrible that some people live with those beliefs until their death when they could've had a much better life with more freedom yet died like every muslim does, with no heaven nor hell.

I used to say I won't speak about religion and such with my children and let them decide for themselves, but no. I'm going to bring them the facts and make them meet stuff with skepticism and won't hesitate on debunking the fairy tales they might believe because they bring no good and I don't agree with the statement that ignorance is bliss. Ignorance is a roadblock for progress and evolving as a person.

Edit: Regarding my first paragraph, my intention wasn't to be judgemental and I know it doesn't apply to everyone but I've seen that happen on many ocassions and I'm just pointing it out.

Why do I always post stuff where I'm not supposed to post it?

Oh, well, I guess it can't be helped...

(July 4, 2016 at 8:48 am)RozKek Wrote: Now, I've lurked this thread, I like it a lot, and I yet again observed a pattern among theists; the ones I've seen always seem to be clinging onto a meaning and purpose to life and extend it further out so everything must have a higher purpose or meaning.

Anyway, on a more relevant note, this is mostly directed to MK. So I used to be a muslim around 2 years ago alright and I am familiar with true dreams, they are short and precise, more common among believers. And my dad was raised in a mosque, he had read the Qur'an at least 50 times (he was old, funnily enough, he stopped being religious/a muslim and mentioned some barbaric stuff in the Qur'an like cutting the hands of a thief off but he still believed in Adam and Eve etc.) The role my dad plays in this is he had a book to interpret dreams. I had a short and precise dream, it was a good dream, made me feel good. I was me, in my room, I died and the next moment I was looking at a garden, I was in heaven. Thereafter I saw my dad when I was in my "soul form" floating around, he was in his room reading a book as usual and he saw me. The dream ended there. It was short and precise and made me feel better,  that is considered a true dream in islamic terms.
When I woke up I went to my dad and he interpreted the dream, he said it was a good sign and he was happy. I became an atheist after not too long because I can tell all that bs has no meaning to it, it all originates in my brain, there's nothing holy to it.

The description of a true dream fits my dream. 

Now tell me, how does an atheist go to heaven?

I took joy in reading that; apologies. Even if it wasn't directed to me.

But I needed to comment with what I believe. Dreams are all about symbolism. Is the heaven you saw was truly heaven? maybe the garden in your dream had a total different meaning, your floating soul too meant something else? 

Dreams mean different stuff to each person, a goat in my dream doesn't mean the same thing your dream:

-Why don't the "soul" representation means that you won't be present in paradise? maybe it means that you're a mere ghost in that place; actually -and try to draw this image in your head- seeing yourself as a floating soul in a certain place, can totally symbolize this exact picture: your ghost haunts that place; wish to be in that place, but you will never be in that place; for you are a mere ghost; mere soul.
Maybe your dad, being in the room and seeing your "ghost form" floating around, means that he saw you slip into atheism and lose faith? the book in his hand had something to do with your transformation; too.

But notice: I would never give you my interpretation to be a 100% correct scenario; your father -just like so many humans- made that mistake, and built a leap of faith on mere line that could be a hoax; one mistake that is indeed fatal. 

Never would I also give my utter complete word that this is a true interpretation. BTW I don't use any books.