I couldn't possibly provide all the food they need, in perpetuity....if for no other reason than my mortality.  There may actually -be- no way for us to provide all of the food we need in perpetuity, we're already -not- producing all the food we need...and that has nothing to do with anyone's political leanings or any particular agricultural model.

 I'm not sure I'm really coming through here.  If I'm a liberal..that's me -being- a liberal.  Financial positioning, subtle and subversive advertising, seeking the greatest possible return on an acre and on my investment, running an efficient -business-. I'm not interested in, or chasing, utopia. I'm not concerned with your (or anyone's) cycnical view of human nature. To turn that oft cited non-wisdom you offered earlier...I give a man a delicious fish....and he comes back the next day and asks if I have any more.

Libertarian myself! Libs of course take a sharp right at money. I don't care all that much about money. I take a sharp left a civil liberties and go way far down that road. Way way down the road.

(July 22, 2016 at 7:16 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: I don't think that's racist. That's basically true, so how can it be a bad thing to say? It's unfortunate, but I think it's true, isn't it?

It's racist as fuck. It implies the deseases are somehow their fault and in any case they're too stupid or inferior to fend them off. Which, of course, is ignorant, simplistic, and well - racist.

Ignorant because, as Rhythm already said they didn't choose the situation they're in. I'm not giving a history lecture to someone so obviously being head up ass as this guy in his prejudices. But he pretty much stereotyped every cliché there is on Africans and black people in general. I'm tempted to say, since he offered that he was in law enforcement, there you got your answer why so many black unarmed people die because of police violence. It's systemic and I shudder to think that some people still consider others inferior in the year 2016.

It's something to puke over and nothing to debate, really.

(July 22, 2016 at 7:25 pm)abaris Wrote:

(July 22, 2016 at 7:16 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: I don't think that's racist. That's basically true, so how can it be a bad thing to say? It's unfortunate, but I think it's true, isn't it?

It's racist as fuck. It implies the deseases are somehow their fault and in any case they're too stupid or inferior to fend them off. Which, of course, is ignorant, simplistic, and well - racist.

Ignorant because, as Rhythm already said they didn't choose the situation they're in. I'm not giving a history lecture to someone so obviously being head up ass as this guy in his prejudices. But he pretty much stereotyped every cliché there is on Africans and black people in general. I'm tempted to say, since he offered that he was in law enforcement, there you got your answer why so many black unarmed people die because of police violence. It's systemic and I shudder to think that some people still consider others inferior in the year 2016.

It's something to puke over and nothing to debate, really.

I didn't see that implication at all, I'd like some clarification from the OP if that is indeed what he thinks. I suspect it isn't however, we'll never now for sure though, until he tells us explicitly what he really meant.

I just think he's as complex as every other person on earth and we shouldn't be so quick to judge. I think it would be better if we talked it over with him. If he does indeed hold opinions that are wrong as a matter of fact, let's point them out, tell him why he's wrong, and thus have a conversation.

Point being if we just dismiss every person that makes racist comments and stop talking to them nothing changes. If they're wrong, educate them. That is how you make a difference, not by being disgusted by them and hating them. That doesn't help anyone, really.

I have to disagree. Nothing I said was racist by normal standards. I never said the entire race of blacks was lazy or anything remotely like that. I spoke about a SEGMENT of blacks, I believe I said a significant number, or something similar. It's true- and it is based on skin color, because it's the blacks that feel entitlement because their great great grandfather was a slave. Saying "Black" isn't derogatory, nor is it racist. It's simply descriptive. I could say "the blonde" and all would be well. Same damned thing. I don't have a racist bone in my body. I've dated black girls, I have half a dozen black friends- real friends, not "the guy at Best Buy".

I find you intriguing, but I think these folks would be happier if I left. I don't want to disrupt their little haven.

Good lord, I just saw the bit about Ebola being their fault! LMFAO Where in the fuck did that come from? I was describing the FACTUAL state of that continent right now. Period. These whack jobs turn it into racism because I think the blacks are too dumb to get a vaccine that doesn't exist? Jumping Jesus...complete and utter whack jobs.

(July 22, 2016 at 7:07 pm)Imaginaryfriendless Wrote:

(July 22, 2016 at 6:55 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I don't know how it relates to cartoon characters, but that's how you described africans...who were grinding the earth and all comers to dust under their feet when my ancestors (and I'm guessing yours too) were savages living under piles of mud with grass on the roof.....and that's the point.

If my statistically irrelevant model proves anything..it;s that handing out free food has nothing to do with imagined liberal utopias or laziness or any of that shit.  It's a good way to get a writeoff, it's good pr, it brings my profitable business -to me-, and it eliminates waste in my business model.....all so I can secure an roi orders of magnitude greater than the statistically relevant model.  That's me...apparently being a liberal.  Does that sound super liberal, to you?

Yes. Because you are not providing all of there food they need, in perpetuity. It has to be seen as a permanent fixture, to become a right versus a privilege. THAT is where your problems will begin.

I wrote glowingly of africans, because I've been to Africa and am hugely impressed by their accomplishments. Maasai warriors are amazing, beyond belief. Where in the world did I describe them negatively? You keep referencing Egypt...I've spent considerable time in Cairo. The vast majority of US slaves came from western africa, where they were living in mud huts, not building pyramids.

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(July 22, 2016 at 6:58 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: New Zealand.  I await your arrival with torpid disinterest.

Boru

Figures. Brave man.

*chuckle* Not particularly brave. I'd be just as likely to call you a racist shitstain to your face. I've done it for others, and I'm willing to extend you the same courtesy.

Boru

(July 22, 2016 at 7:35 pm)Imaginaryfriendless Wrote: I have to disagree. Nothing I said was racist by normal standards. I never said the entire race of blacks was lazy or anything remotely like that. I spoke about a SEGMENT of blacks, I believe I said a significant number, or something similar. It's true- and it is based on skin color, because it's the blacks that feel entitlement because their great great grandfather was a slave. Saying "Black" isn't derogatory, nor is it racist. It's simply descriptive. I could say "the blonde" and all would be well. Same damned thing. I don't have a racist bone in my body. I've dated black girls, I have half a dozen black friends- real friends, not "the guy at Best Buy".

I find you intriguing, but I think these folks would be happier if I left. I don't want to disrupt their little haven.

I think a few folk on the forum would be happy to see the back of me as well.

*shrugs*

I would prefer that the difference between a conservative and a liberal isn't that one of them has to constantly educate the other on how absurdly racist and non-factual the things the other say just so happen to be.  Surely, one isn't -required- to be an ignorant bigot regardless of their affiliation.

In any case.  I have a strong suspicion that there's really not a whole lot of difference, in actuality, between conservatives and liberals, except for those manufactured slights that crop up when someone, for example..starts babbling about utopia and the degeneracy of man when presented with an example like giving away free food.  The most strident free market captialist could hear me describe my model and his eyes would turn into a neverending register of cash signs ticking.  It's just good business. Because it happens to -include- rampant charity (with waste and byproduct, no less)......all of a sudden there's a problem, and it's a pinko commie fantasy that won't work (despite it, you know...working..precisely because it -isn't-)...and, in addition..that it will ruin the world in some childish mad max breakdown.....

This, I think, is what people go into this with, when they assign themselves and others these two particular labels "liberal" and "conservative" - in america. It's just ridiculous, top to bottom, anymore.