(May 6, 2011 at 5:10 am)fr0d0 Wrote: You are becoming a jerk of troll like magnitude CC.

... exactly how? By quoting the bible.

common frodo - you can do better than that. It's no fun if you don't try.

Quote:but hey - never forget, god loves you ..... and you deserve hell ................ for being born.

I love that. It's such a big contradiction, and yet they still deny it.

All loving and endless punishment = CONTRADICTION.
God is either all loving or he's not.
Just as you cannot have dry rain, or squarecircles. It's one way or the other. Either god is all loving, or he's a complete prick.

Religion really is littered with faulty logic and contradiction. It's harder to support a lie than to support a truth. Supporting a lie means constantly making shit up whilst trying to keep it consistent with no contradiction, fail and it will collapse in on itself.

(May 5, 2011 at 8:18 pm)Cinjin Cain Wrote: Xtian view: God gets angry hurt when you deny his existence.
My son has told me that he doesn't like me and he doesn't want to play with me. Admittedly, it hurts.

Xtian views: God, in his hurt and anger prepares a place of does everything to prevent self imposed eternal torment for his child.

Xtian views: God will some day never ever turn his back on you if you don't tell him you love him.

Xtian views: God You will burn you in a place of ultimate terror - as he will for do all his children who didn't show love for him.

There you go CC... now try again with something that actually resembles what is actually said.

(May 6, 2011 at 4:05 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:

(May 5, 2011 at 8:18 pm)Cinjin Cain Wrote: Xtian view: God gets angry hurt when you deny his existence.
Xtian views: God You will burn you in a place of ultimate terror - as he will for do all his children who didn't show love for him.

There you go CC... now try again with something that actually resembles what is actually said.

DUDE! What the fuck! You just said the equivalent of "If you don't love God, you'll burn in a place of ultimate terror." Talk about motherfucking emotional blackmail.

Clearly this "God" has no sense of neutrality.

(May 6, 2011 at 4:05 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Xtian view: God gets angry hurt when you deny his existence.
My son has told me that he doesn't like me and he doesn't want to play with me. Admittedly, it hurts.

I will die, I regard my offspring from the point of view of wanting an affirmation and continuation for myself because this behavior encourages me to nurture my offsprings. This is why I feel hurt. My genes are less likely to pass on and my line more likely to go extinct if I am not so made. Why was god made this way?

If god plan to die soon and is hoping that I will carry on his memory and is predisposed to conduct himself in a way that would allow his genes to carry on, then I would understand if he feels hurt.

Otherwise his "hurt" would seem to be the ruse of a vain, shallow, manipulative, despotic and not a little emotionally afeminent tyrant.

BTW, if god plans to die, let me know because I want to be there to throw the first fire brand onto the funeral pyre and take my share of the inheritence. That's a prize worth the showing of some love in his remaining days.

(May 6, 2011 at 4:05 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Xtian views: God, in his hurt and anger prepares a place of does everything to prevent self imposed eternal torment for his child.

Did he banish the concept of eternal torment? No. Therefore did he do everything? No. Why not? Because he is menifestly not all powerful and need to issue threats to effect desired result.

(May 6, 2011 at 4:05 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Xtian views: God will some day never ever turn his back on you if you don't tell him you love him.

So why torment eternal? If god never turns his back, then anyone could go to hell, weigh the the torment of the singed hair against the burden of loving a god whose back is not turned, and be out of lake of fire and up on a cushion of clouds caressing Jesus in a jiffy.

(May 6, 2011 at 4:05 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Xtian views: God You will burn you in a place of ultimate terror - as he will for do all his children who didn't show love for him.

If he is omniscient and omnipotent, then whose fault is it if he can't even make the children he creates love him? If he deem the loving of himself by his creation to be a good thing desireable in all his creations, then how sadly lacking must be his quality assurance and control if his junk pile is so big that it requires its own manager and an entire lake of fire to accommodate? And how benevolent is a god who would burn your tiny little testicle in a lake of fire forever to relieve his own frustration at his own sad lack of quality assurance and quality control?

It seems like god lack even the good grace to resign to take responsibility for his incompetence.

(May 6, 2011 at 4:05 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: There you go CC... now try again with something that actually resembles what is actually said.

Should have left CC along, fr0d, it looked a hell of a lot better for your religion than what in your opinion is actually said.

(May 6, 2011 at 4:05 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:

(May 5, 2011 at 8:18 pm)Cinjin Cain Wrote: Xtian view: God gets angry hurt when you deny his existence.
My son has told me that he doesn't like me and he doesn't want to play with me. Admittedly, it hurts.

Xtian views: God, in his hurt and anger prepares a place of does everything to prevent self imposed eternal torment for his child.

Xtian views: God will some day never ever turn his back on you if you don't tell him you love him.

Xtian views: God You will burn you in a place of ultimate terror - as he will for do all his children who didn't show love for him.

There you go CC... now try again with something that actually resembles what is actually said.

Jesusfuckingchrist Frodo, where do I begin? there's so much here that is so easily shot down. For now I'll just agree with Chuck and return to this in a bit. I have to get my son some dinner.




wow ..... how do you keep a straight face when you write that nonsense?????????

Yours is a construct with no justice Chuck. If you don't have consequences for wrongdoing then you don't care if your child does wrong/ you're happy for them to be in pain without any hope from yourself for their happiness. How can you reason that to be preferable?

@ Moros: No I said "you" punish yourself ... you choose to rebel against good and receive your just deserts.

(May 6, 2011 at 4:59 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: @ Moros: No I said "you" punish yourself ... you choose to rebel against good and receive your just deserts.

What if you don't service either good or evil, hmm? Where does neutrality lie in this?

(May 6, 2011 at 4:59 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Yours is a construct with no justice Chuck. If you don't have consequences for wrongdoing then you don't care if your child does wrong/ you're happy for them to be in pain without any hope from yourself for their happiness. How can you reason that to be preferable?

The consequences for right and wrong don't have to be determined by a god. We as human beings should have our own moral feelings and be able to determine this ourselves.

Sure some people don't, some people are arseholes, but that's just the way it is. Sometimes people commit crimes and they get away with it. Thats just the way it is.
Sure its not fair, but just because it's not fair doesnt mean that we have to believe some god is going to bring down divine justice after people die.

(May 6, 2011 at 5:03 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote:

(May 6, 2011 at 4:59 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: @ Moros: No I said "you" punish yourself ... you choose to rebel against good and receive your just deserts.

What if you don't service either good or evil, hmm? Where does neutrality lie in this?

An interesting question, to say the least.