Penguin, if someone disagrees you think they don't understand. I wish you'd notice that pattern. You have no reason to think I haven't thought about it much just because I hold a different position. Maybe you need to think about it for a few years more perhaps?

(August 3, 2016 at 8:56 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: Penguin, if someone disagrees you think they don't understand. I wish you'd notice that pattern. You have no reason to think I haven't thought about it much just because I hold a different position. Maybe you need to think about it for a few years more perhaps?

Whatever. You assign to me whatever thoughts you like, I can live with it.

I understand nuance as much as the next person, but there are certain topics, it seems, that certain people can't help but be dogmatic about, just like you are about this. I have stated a very innocuous position, one you would agree with if not for the fear inculcated in you by a regressive culture. I notice you didn't directly address anything I said, but continued to talk about what you think I'm doing and how this is really about you or me somehow - diversion tactics, plain and simple. I'm still waiting for this wisdom of yours you like to allude at so much.

(August 3, 2016 at 8:59 am)Excited Penguin Wrote:

(August 3, 2016 at 8:56 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: Penguin, if someone disagrees you think they don't understand. I wish you'd notice that pattern. You have no reason to think I haven't thought about it much just because I hold a different position. Maybe you need to think about it for a few years more perhaps?

Whatever. You assign to me whatever thoughts you like, I can live with it.

I'm just saying perhaps. I don't assign any thoughts to you. It was just an idea.

You seem to think I haven't thought about it enough because I disagree, so I'm just saying "Maybe you're jumping to a conclusion there, and what exactly have you based that on besides the fact I don't agree? Disagreeing does not equate to not understanding." You know?

(August 3, 2016 at 9:02 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: I understand nuance as much as the next person, but there are certain topics, it seems, that certain people can't help but be dogmatic about, just like you are about this. I have stated a very innocuous position, one you would agree with if not for the fear inculcated in you by a regressive culture. I notice you didn't directly address anything I said, but continued to talk about what you think I'm doing and how this is really about you or me somehow - diversion tactics, plain and simple. I'm still waiting for this wisdom of yours you like to allude at so much.

Bold mine.  EP, this is why I asked you before if condescension comes naturally to you.  It seems like whenever someone disagrees you immediately insult them, then say something about how they're being dishonest or deliberately obfuscating their point (like you said to Bennyboy in the Agnostics thread), or you claim that your viewpoint is clearly correct and something is preventing them from seeing your obviously correct stance (like with Ham here).

It's only exacerbated when you admit just a couple posts ago that you "aren't the most informed" about abortions, and yet you accuse Ham of being dogmatic and claim that you are flatly and blatantly correct.

(August 3, 2016 at 9:02 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: I understand nuance as much as the next person, but there are certain topics, it seems, that certain people can't help but be dogmatic about, just like you are about this. I have stated a very innocuous position, one you would agree with if not for the fear inculcated in you by a regressive culture. I notice you didn't directly address anything I said, but continued to talk about what you think I'm doing and how this is really about you or me somehow - diversion tactics, plain and simple. I'm still waiting for this wisdom of yours you like to allude at so much.

I don't really want to argue about it if you're starting with the position of thinking I don't understand.

It's not that I can't, I'm capable of arguing to the ends of the earth about bloody anything, it's that I won't. I don't want to get into a petty pedantic argument because I'm not on AF for that. I'm here for fun.

I still see no discussion of the actual topic, just a bunch of continuous whining.

(August 3, 2016 at 9:10 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote:

(August 3, 2016 at 9:02 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: I understand nuance as much as the next person, but there are certain topics, it seems, that certain people can't help but be dogmatic about, just like you are about this. I have stated a very innocuous position, one you would agree with if not for the fear inculcated in you by a regressive culture. I notice you didn't directly address anything I said, but continued to talk about what you think I'm doing and how this is really about you or me somehow - diversion tactics, plain and simple. I'm still waiting for this wisdom of yours you like to allude at so much.

I don't really want to argue about it if you're starting with the position of thinking I don't understand.

It's not that I can't, I'm capable of arguing to the ends of the earth about bloody anything, it's that I won't. I don't want to get into a petty pedantic argument because I'm not on AF for that. I'm here for fun.

Ok, Evie, I can respect that. You don't want to discuss the issue? Fine, I won't pester you about it then. Have a laugh, mate.

Thanks EP I respect that you respect that too

(August 3, 2016 at 8:45 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: I am much more nuanced on that than we can reasonably discuss here in a couple of posts, or than you could imagine from what I've said so far. Just don't go ahead and jump to conclusions, is all I'm asking. Chances are, I've thought more about the issue than you did yourself.

As about abortions, I believe that it's not simply a woman's choice what happens to her body, since it doesn't become just her body anymore once she becomes pregnant. I believe contraception methods are there for a reason.

What do you care about fetuses anyway, EP? It's not your problem, and never will be. You're not going to get pregnant anytime soon, are you?