(August 9, 2016 at 6:24 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I sort of remember that incident.... two guys, one of whom was a poll worker getting pissy at a white guy with a camera.  As I recall, nothing came of it.

And you're totally wrong yet again. They were not poll workers -- they are members of a radical organisation called the New Black Panther Party (no connection whatsoever to the original with that name) and were outside with a fucking weapon to intimidate voters.

(August 9, 2016 at 6:24 pm)Minimalist Wrote: You don't really understand what is going on over here.

I know damn well what is happening over there and you should stop making assumptions based on people's nationalities. It doesn't matter who is doing the intimidating it's fucking wrong.

(August 9, 2016 at 2:17 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(August 9, 2016 at 1:49 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Are you seriously equating false representations about polls with purging people from voter roles, physically impending voters, shutting polls early, and voter ID laws?  Seriously?

Yes I agree that both sides do the former both out of malice and out of optimism; but that is nothing like actually preventing voting or making voting physically difficult, expensive, or time consuming.  They aren't the same thing at all.

Nor is the Gore Florida a very good example. W himself thought he'd lost Florida until Jeb set him straight about who votes for who where in Florida. But yes, Clinton tried to do it to Burnie.

Well there was a case where Democrats (in fact a congresswoman's son and his friends) literally slashed the tires of a group 100 of vans that were shuttling voters to the polls. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/12498215/ns/po...ing-tires/ This stuff happens on both sides. People who only see one side of it are probably getting their media from one sided sources or only want to see one side of it. It's very politically naive. If Clinton would do it to Bernie, she'd do it to Trump too but you won't hear about that if you only get one side of the story.

Apples and oranges.  Your link is coming up 404 not found, but yes in 2006 a Milwaukee congresswomans son and pals slashed the tires of Republican get out the vote vehicles.  Nasty. Illegal.  And duly punished as the crime that it was.  But, it's a single incident,  was not government action.  I'm failing to see the comparison to voter purges and police road blocks.  It wasn't suppressed eithe. Even liberal old NPR reported it.

As to Clinton making false representactions about the polls Trump does the same, and more often since the polls are against him. So this allows one of them to rig the election how?

(August 9, 2016 at 7:15 pm)Jenny A Wrote:

(August 9, 2016 at 2:17 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Well there was a case where Democrats (in fact a congresswoman's son and his friends) literally slashed the tires of a group 100 of vans that were shuttling voters to the polls. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/12498215/ns/po...ing-tires/ This stuff happens on both sides. People who only see one side of it are probably getting their media from one sided sources or only want to see one side of it. It's very politically naive. If Clinton would do it to Bernie, she'd do it to Trump too but you won't hear about that if you only get one side of the story.

Apples and oranges.  Your link is coming up 404 not found, but yes in 2006 a Milwaukee congresswomans son and pals slashed the tires of Republican get out the vote vehicles.  Nasty. Illegal.  And duly punished as the crime that it was.  But, it's a single incident,  was not government action.  I'm failing to see the comparison to voter purges and police road blocks.  It wasn't suppressed eithe. Even liberal old NPR reported it.

As to Clinton making false representactions about the polls Trump does the same, and more often since the polls are against him. So this allows one of them to rig the election how?

Works for me.

Here you go Min, the guy featured in this video is in those videos that A Theist posted.

Quote:I know damn well what is happening over there and you should stop making assumptions based on people's nationalities. It doesn't matter who is doing the intimidating it's fucking wrong.

Bullshit.  That's the typical false equivalency shit that FOX pulls.  Two guys standing in front of a single polling place in Philadelphia 8 years ago is not the equivalent of entire state legislatures trying to disenfranchise minority voters.  The republicunts are desperate.  They know they have to cheat to win.

That's what you have to comprehend.

Let's not forget the decision in North Carolina recently.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/30/us/fed...ision.html

Quote:A federal appeals court decisively struck down North Carolina’s voter identification law on Friday, saying its provisions deliberately “target African-Americans with almost surgical precision” in an effort to depress black turnout at the polls.

THIS is what is going on.  Within the last 10 days..... not 8 years ago.

Have you not been reading my posts? I said intimidation tactics or suppressing votes is wrong, regardless of who is doing it. Did I say that two guys is worse than state authorities doing it? No, I didn't.

(August 9, 2016 at 5:44 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(August 9, 2016 at 5:38 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: I noticed you didn't actually address his post. As always, you just resort to calling your opponents Nazis. I expected better of you. Is it okay for a black supremacist group to intimidate voters?

For what it's worth, don't think Min is representative of liberals.  He may not care, but I and many many others do care, no matter how the suppression is occurring or who does it.

He doesn't give a fuck about his party following their own bylaws, I wouldn't expect him to care about this.  Frankly, I wouldn't expect any partisan to behave in any way except partisan.

Don't worry about it.

I know very well that Minimalist isn't your average liberal.

While the NBPs outside of a polling place was disgusting and illegal, it isn't representative of a liberal attempt to suppress voters. It is an example of an extremist group doing something illegal of its own volition.

To compare it to the extremes that conservatives went with gerrymandering in 2010 and the Voter ID laws that disenfranchise millions of minority and young voters is just dishonest and a sorry, naive tu coque.

(August 9, 2016 at 10:30 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: While the NBPs outside of a polling place was disgusting and illegal, it isn't representative of a liberal attempt to suppress voters. It is an example of an extremist group doing something illegal of its own volition.  

To compare it to the extremes that conservatives went with gerrymandering in 2010 and the Voter ID laws that disenfranchise millions of minority and young voters is just dishonest and a sorry, naive tu coque.

Did I compare it? No, no I didn't.

(August 9, 2016 at 10:34 pm)Bella Morte Wrote:

(August 9, 2016 at 10:30 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: While the NBPs outside of a polling place was disgusting and illegal, it isn't representative of a liberal attempt to suppress voters. It is an example of an extremist group doing something illegal of its own volition.  

To compare it to the extremes that conservatives went with gerrymandering in 2010 and the Voter ID laws that disenfranchise millions of minority and young voters is just dishonest and a sorry, naive tu coque.

Did I compare it? No, no I didn't.

Did I quote you? No, no I didn't.