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RE: The real religion?
August 16, 2016 at 3:38 pm
(August 16, 2016 at 3:37 pm)SteveII Wrote: (August 16, 2016 at 3:33 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: You also seem to think that Peter wrote 2 Peter, a document written so long after the alleged events of Jesus' life that the claim of the Son of Man coming in his glory within the lifetimes of some of his listeners had become an embarrassment to the church. Hence, one of modern Christianity's favorite weasel verses to explain away the false prophecy of their own god: a thousand years is but a day to God.
Yeah . . . not buying it.
I am aware of the controversy of 2 Peter. That just shows the level of scrutiny that the rest have withstood. Thanks!
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RE: The real religion?
August 16, 2016 at 3:38 pm
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(August 16, 2016 at 3:33 pm)SteveII Wrote: Still waiting for some evidence of a conspiracy/fraud/less than honest account...
In the meantime, I am going to accept the accounts/facts/period analysis as it was originally written. I have no reason to believe this group of people lied or were confused--especially since my belief in God is properly basic!! 
It's properly basic alright....... 
Not everyone who gets something wrong, or uses a good story to teach an important lesson...is lying, fraudulent, or dishonest. Aesop (yay, eponyms) wasn't trying to sell anyone some shit about talking rabbits. Perhaps you should take time to fully explore the theological significance of these stories...rather than wasting effort maintaining their historicity?
After all, it's your belief that important, it;s the theology that;s important. If none of it happened that wouldn't change your beliefs, as you've said. Hell, you might even be able to get yourself some of that discussion you're looking for if the subject wasn't so infantile.
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RE: The real religion?
August 16, 2016 at 3:41 pm
(August 16, 2016 at 3:38 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (August 16, 2016 at 3:33 pm)SteveII Wrote: Still waiting for some evidence of a conspiracy/fraud/less than honest account...
In the meantime, I am going to accept the accounts/facts/period analysis as it was originally written. I have no reason to believe this group of people lied or were confused--especially since my belief in God is properly basic!!
It's properly basic alright.......
Not everyone who gets something wrong, or uses a good story to teach an important lesson...is lying, fraudulent, or dishonest. Aesop (yay, eponyms) wasn't trying to sell anyone some shit about talking rabbits. Perhaps you should take time to fully explore the theological significance of these stories...rather than wasting effort maintaining their historicity?
After all, it's your belief that important, it;s the theology that;s important. If none of it happened that wouldn't change your beliefs, as you've said. Hell, you might even be able to get yourself some of that discussion you're looking for if the subject wasn't so infantile.
We have a bingo! [crowd of old people groans]
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RE: The real religion?
August 16, 2016 at 3:44 pm
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(August 16, 2016 at 3:35 pm)SteveII Wrote: (August 16, 2016 at 3:28 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Peter James and John are literary eponyms......Luke (also an eponym)..was an evangelist (the idea that he was a historian has it's genesis in apologetic arguments of living memory, not any scholarly appraisal of the accuracy of luke)...and Paul appears to have been about as real as this jesus guy you keep going on about. '
WTF Steve?
You have sought out fringe theories that support your conclusion. I will stick with the 'most scholars believe...' prefix.
What fringe theories? Pitch straw elsewhere. Do "most scholars" believe that luke was a historian...or might that be exactly what I -just- told you it was? Do most scholars think that Peter, James, and John are -not- literary eponyms? What, of Paul, is the consensus view of the scholars who assign paul a measure of historicity?
Show me that you possess an ounce of knowledge, make your assertions, however vague and poorly worded...true. That's how this works. That's how we learn from and communicate with each other.
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RE: The real religion?
August 16, 2016 at 3:48 pm
Steve, I'd be curious to know which NT scholars' books you have read.
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The real religion?
August 16, 2016 at 3:50 pm
Are 'basic beliefs' anything like 'basic bitches'?
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken.
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RE: The real religion?
August 16, 2016 at 3:50 pm
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The ones that say "most scholars believe that -x- " in 140 characters or less, is where I put my money.
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RE: The real religion?
August 16, 2016 at 3:51 pm
(August 16, 2016 at 3:50 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Are 'basic beliefs' anything like 'basic bitches'?
Basic bitches are much harder to shake.
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RE: The real religion?
August 16, 2016 at 3:51 pm
(August 16, 2016 at 3:50 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Are 'basic beliefs' anything like 'basic bitches'?
Or baseless beliefs.
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RE: The real religion?
August 16, 2016 at 4:07 pm
Wow, another 10 pages of just trying to establish that some events in a story book really happened. Which still has no bearing whatsoever on the question in the OP.
Even if they did happen, it makes fuck all difference right now. If 2000 years ago was the last time God favoured anyone in the correct religion, I think we can consider him irrelevant until further notice.
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