Sure, you can just assert "god did science". "Whatever we find out, god did it."

It's unfalsifiable, pointless and self-serving.

Augustus was deified by the Roman Senate. He was therefore a god, by the force of law. As further evidence, there are statues, cameos, and coins depicting him as a god, not to mention extant letters referring to his divine status.

What more proof do you want?

Boru

I would suggest to go on a Christian site. But I was there recently and its painful to even see the "enthusiastic Gods slave" mood present there.

(August 27, 2016 at 1:15 am)bennyboy Wrote:

(August 27, 2016 at 12:12 am)Arkilogue Wrote: Why would an eternal God need to prove anything to anyone?

Yes.  Why would he?

I think it would kinda spoil the sense of mystery and joy of discovery.

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(August 27, 2016 at 6:51 am)robvalue Wrote: Sure, you can just assert "god did science". "Whatever we find out, god did it."

It's unfalsifiable, pointless and self-serving.

Yeah but how? How/why does an electromagnetic force appear/arise in the universe? How did God physically do it?

Whatever you need it to be, I just like puzzles.



Back to the first question, is there anything in the Big Bang model of universal inflation that explains electromagnetism?

Anyone want to hazard a guess through critical thinking or think they know? Any creative answers?
Certainly the imagined mono-centric singularity is too dense to support electron flow or magnetic fields, so is an omni-centric ocean of quark matter....

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(August 27, 2016 at 7:21 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Augustus was deified by the Roman Senate.  He was therefore a god, by the force of law.  As further evidence, there are statues, cameos, and coins depicting him as a god, not to mention extant letters referring to his divine status.

What more proof do you want?

Boru

How did he bring the electromagnetic force into being?

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(August 27, 2016 at 8:44 am)purplepurpose Wrote: I would suggest to go on a Christian site. But I was there recently and its painful to even see the "enthusiastic Gods slave" mood present there.

I go where the intellectual challenge is....and it's not there.

(August 27, 2016 at 3:27 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

(August 27, 2016 at 1:15 am)bennyboy Wrote: Yes.  Why would he?

I think it would kinda spoil the sense of mystery and joy of discovery.

. . . and would make God relevant to our actual lives. Who wants that?

Quote:BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
Augustus was deified by the Roman Senate. He was therefore a god, by the force of law. As further evidence, there are statues, cameos, and coins depicting him as a god, not to mention extant letters referring to his divine status.

What more proof do you want?

Boru

How did he bring the electromagnetic force into being?

Such was not the province of the divine Augustus.

Boru

(August 27, 2016 at 9:01 pm)bennyboy Wrote:

(August 27, 2016 at 3:27 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: I think it would kinda spoil the sense of mystery and joy of discovery.

. . . and would make God relevant to our actual lives.  Who wants that?

And would you rather an existence where your every errant thoughts is instantly corrected/overruled by an inescapable omni-sentient God Mind? Or do you prefer autonomy, privacy and the ability to grow/learn on your own?

Not like your autonomy lasts forever though...

Those who want God relevant to their lives, seek it. Those who don't, don't.

And some explorers aren't looking for any destination in-particular, some just enjoy exploring and discovering on their own for the shear thrill of the journey.

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(August 27, 2016 at 9:09 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

Quote:BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
Augustus was deified by the Roman Senate.  He was therefore a god, by the force of law.  As further evidence, there are statues, cameos, and coins depicting him as a god, not to mention extant letters referring to his divine status.

What more proof do you want?

Boru

How did he bring the electromagnetic force into being?

Such was not the province of the divine Augustus.

Boru

Actually, god or not he was far more powerful than your god could ever be - he is known to have existed. Something that your god could only dream of doing.

(August 27, 2016 at 9:29 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Actually, god or not he was far more powerful than your god could ever be - he is known to have existed. Something that your god could only dream of doing.

Don't make me go back through history and fetch for you the multitudinous, pan-cultural concepts of the original God/State of existence prior to the universe being an infinite undifferentiated substance.

The God I assert of has been asserted by many, long before me, long before the "guy in the sky" became a popular strawman.

Would it help you to know the Pope specifically denounced this concept of God? It was translated "God is not a magician" but what he actually said was "God is not a demi-urge." Meaning God is not a "public worker" who carved out creation and formed it's internal things out of a preexisting substance.

As far as Augustus is concerned, maybe he took to heart and embodied Jesus's words, "Ye are gods."

(August 27, 2016 at 9:29 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Actually, god or not he was far more powerful than your god could ever be - he is known to have existed. Something that your god could only dream of doing.

Too right. Jehovah (so the story goes) could be stopped by iron chariots. Augustus wouldn't have lost a wink of sleep upon being informed that Rome's enemies had iron chariots.

Boru