(May 15, 2011 at 2:33 pm)Shell B Wrote:

(May 15, 2011 at 5:48 am)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: How does someone manage to stab another person *14* times in the neck in a *supermarket*?

I feel shitty saying it, but if I was in the supermarket with kids, which I usually am because I have nieces, nephews and a stepson, and that happened, I would probably have left and called the cops. Chances are, she was dead within the first few stabs. There are an awful lot of ways to die by getting stabbed in the neck, arteries, airways and your spinal column don't leave many chances for survival. That totally sucks, though. Unfortunately, Monsieur Crazy Person probably thought he was doing the right thing. Insanity is a scary thing.

"God" told him it was a good idea!

Shell B Wrote:Perhaps, but how often do you hear of someone escaping the clutches of a madman? Not as often as you hear about someone being murdered by one. The thing is, "neutralizing" someone who has a knife is not as easy as you make it sound, especially if the guy has crazy strength. I don't know about in Alaska, but we don't have local ninjas wondering around the grocery store. The safest bet would be to have a group of people ambush him. That would take too long to organize. Either way, the lady was dead.

The thing about crazy people is that for what strength they might possess: it will be let out in an uncontrolled and reckless manner. Hence you don't even need to be strong: just be able to close a gap and put someone in a hold that is unconcerned with how strong they are. Intercepting from behind is ideal for one's health... but this *will* end up on the ground. Triangle choke, cradle, what have you: it *really* does not matter how strong a crazy person is: they are not lucid. So yes... it is really quite easy to neutralize crazy with a knife.

Crazy with a flail much less so

Quote:Engage an unexpected enemy? It seems to me he had only one enemy in that grocery store. Unless he started stabbing me or I was armed and could help, I would not engage anyone. I do not fancy myself a traveling hero or ninja. Sometimes, barging in and jumping on a dude like it is a fucking video game is not the smartest thing to do. Besides, most of the people in the store were likely women and children.

Expect horrible things to occur without one preparing for them, and yes: engage the unexpected enemy the moment one feels secure in their knowledge of the enemy's parameters. Enemy has a gun? Now you know what they can do. Enemy has a knife? Now you know what they can do. Enemy has a gun and a knife? Now you know what they can do. Enemy is unarmed? I think point is made.

As it turns out, life differs from a video game only in that one has no retries/saves and the pain/pleasure you feel is "real". Women can deal with crazy+knife as effectively as men, and nobody is suggesting the children were raised to be any more competent than their parents (infact, they are raised as industrially as cattle).

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(May 15, 2011 at 3:27 pm)Cinjin Cain Wrote: well hold on now ... I said I wouldn't get involved but thats because I have to assume that I would be unarmed (as I imagine 99% of American's are unarmed while grocey shopping). However, you give me a 45 cal. Smith & Wesson, I'll be the first one to put a round in that douchebag's left eye socket.

But I stand where I was before. I'm not going to be the dipshit that gets himself cut up by a knife wielding religious nutbag because of some misguided sense of heroism.

You don't *need* a weapon more than your arms, legs, brain, and what have you. The crazy man has a *butchering knife*... he isn't going to do anything to you that some first aid won't fix, and if he does then remember you are in a supermarket: the ambulance was on its way since before you engaged. That isn't to say go ahead and impale yourself... but I sincerely doubt one would take lasting damage from a reckless person with a knife.

It's heroic to remove a threat from one's vicinity now? Here I presumed that was sensible and expected of those who can.

(May 16, 2011 at 12:04 am)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: That isn't to say go ahead and impale yourself... but I sincerely doubt one would take lasting damage from a reckless person with a knife.

Tell that to the woman who doesn't currently have her own head attached.

(May 16, 2011 at 12:34 am)Cinjin Cain Wrote:

(May 16, 2011 at 12:04 am)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: That isn't to say go ahead and impale yourself... but I sincerely doubt one would take lasting damage from a reckless person with a knife.

Tell that to the woman who doesn't currently have her own head attached.

She was taken by surprise, meaning she was unaware of the parameters of the individual that took her by surprise. Given that she has just been assaulted with a knife, and you are armed with the knowledge that he has a knife... you are now equipped to deal with crazy with a knife.

Now if he pulls out a gun and shoots you in the forehead: the next person will be armed with the knowledge that he's both a knife and a gun

hmmm... I ran the string " good samaritan killed " through google and got this.

Quote:About 928,000 results (0.12 seconds)

Perhaps it is not quite so easy as you think?

(May 16, 2011 at 2:07 am)Minimalist Wrote: hmmm... I ran the string " good samaritan killed " through google and got this.

Quote:About 928,000 results (0.12 seconds)

Perhaps it is not quite so easy as you think?

Here. I will make it easy for everyone else.

(May 16, 2011 at 2:07 am)Minimalist Wrote: hmmm... I ran the string " good samaritan killed " through google and got this.

Quote:About 928,000 results (0.12 seconds)

Perhaps it is not quite so easy as you think?

"Good samaritan"s happen to be a lot of people doing a lot of different things. Some good samaritans are killed by falling off of tall buildings. Others get run over. Others slip and break their necks. A couple accidentally stab themselves to death. Or are felled by an explosion from behind.

Perhaps use more relevant search terms, or better yet don't presume a bazilion and a half google results means anything. I mean... I get about 11,300,000 (0.10 seconds) for "my little pony" in google.

Know what that means? That's right: absolutely nothing.

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Evidence here.

(May 16, 2011 at 2:39 am)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: Perhaps use more relevant search terms

Google Search: Good Samaritan killed by a knife

573,000 hits


Now it feels just kinda like beaten that poor dead horse.

Horse isn't dead until it is in pieces. I have a strict 'break all corpses' policy. After shooting them of course, to be sure that they are corpses. Usually three times. Minding the other 'corpses' as well. I've been known to grenade and torch them. A few times smashing them down with chairs. And televisions.



Do you happen to know how many ways one can be killed by a knife? There's the traditional "somebody stabbed me" of course, but the question is *who* (or sometimes what) that 'somebody' that stabbed 'me' is. Sometimes a good samaritan is stabbed by the very person he is trying to save/help (accidentally, and on purpose, and sometimes as a reaction). Other times he stabs himself, to the death even. Many times he is stabbed by someone that has a knife as he was trying to help someone else.

And yet... "Good samaritan killed by a knife-weilding madman" produces precisely nothing... which happens to be the relevant topic at this time.

Most people that kill people with knives are *entirely* lucid. We have been discussing madmen with knife in the supermarket here, which infact take no training whatsoever to neutralize

Try good samaritan stabbed.