(September 10, 2016 at 9:43 am)Little Rik Wrote: I probably would think along those lines myself if that is the case but I don't because I know that reincarnation is there the karma law is there and free will is there for all of us to progress or end down in the sewer.

Got any evidence that karma and reincarnation are there?

(September 10, 2016 at 3:02 pm)ScienceAf Wrote:

(September 10, 2016 at 9:43 am)Little Rik Wrote: Die is surely a big deal for those that believe in only one life.
For those like me that believe in reincarnation and a goal of life death is not a big deal unless
somebody torture me to death or I die in a violent way.
In that case I wouldn't like even if I know that that is not the end of myself (the real I).
Most atheists (this is not a generalization because this is what I see in here) think badly of a God
on the bases that God doesn't care if million of people die in a terrible way.
According to atheism there is no reincarnation nor karma so dying in a brutal way with a God that doesn't do anything to stop all this doesn't make sense and God is some sort of a bastard.

I probably would think along those lines myself if that is the case but I don't because I know that reincarnation is there the karma law is there and free will is there for all of us to progress or end down in the sewer.
One day if you will ever become a father you will have to give your grown up kids the freedom to do what they like in the good or the bad as now your father as you grow up is giving you more and more freedom to do what you like even if he may not agree with your choices.
That is how the system works boy.
At the end you will be the sole responsible for your actions.
Your father can not be blamed for your stupidity and so God as a father.  

I already said stupidity is not hereditary.
And if I die that's that. I prefer to live but when I'm dead does it really affect anyone?

If a tiny ant would step in the wrong place she could cause an avalanche
and many people could get killed.
I never really discount anything as non important.
You never know boy.

(September 10, 2016 at 6:42 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(September 10, 2016 at 9:43 am)Little Rik Wrote: I probably would think along those lines myself if that is the case but I don't because I know that reincarnation is there the karma law is there and free will is there for all of us to progress or end down in the sewer.

Got any evidence that karma and reincarnation are there?

NDEs tell us so but I don't really need that to get the confirm.
By practicing yoga everything come clear within.

There is something yog that you will never be good with as far as you keep your stubborn mind in front of what make sense.

Take the people who get rich.
They take risks.
They never wait for the evidence that they will succeed or not.
Of course there is an other way to get rich.
You can struggle life after life for 100 or 200 lives.
Sooner or later the prosperity will come.

Yoga is the short way around.
You take the risk that you may waste your time and get nowhere but if you succeed you avoid
the continuous reincarnations and get there very fast.

You act exactly like the slow moving people.
You keep on waiting and waiting until evidence fall from the sky like the manna.
In this way you take longer and longer to get at the goal of life but again that is only your problem.
Good lack anyway.  

(September 11, 2016 at 1:57 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(September 10, 2016 at 6:42 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Got any evidence that karma and reincarnation are there?

NDEs tell us so but I don't really need that to get the confirm.

NDEs tell us squat about karma and reincarnation. Veridical NDEs suggest that we can have out of body experiences. That's all they suggest. The rest is reading into the evidence what you want to see, so no you don't have any evidence for karma or reincarnation. Do you have any actual evidence for karma and / or reincarnation?

(September 11, 2016 at 1:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: By practicing yoga everything come clear within.

Got any evidence to go with this claim?

(September 11, 2016 at 1:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: There is something yog that you will never be good with as far as you keep your stubborn mind in front of what make sense.

Take the people who get rich.
They take risks.
They never wait for the evidence that they will succeed or not.
Of course there is an other way to get rich.
You can struggle life after life for 100 or 200 lives.
Sooner or later the prosperity will come.

Yoga is the short way around.

Got any evidence to go with this bald assertion? Everybody 'thinks' they are on the right path. You, me, my neighbor down the street. You're just stupid enough to believe that you thinking you are on the right path is significant for you. You're too dim to realize that because 'everybody' believes themselves to be on the right path, believing yourself to be on the right path means nothing. Your belief in your path is a dime a dozen.

(September 11, 2016 at 1:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: You take the risk that you may waste your time and get nowhere but if you succeed you avoid
the continuous reincarnations and get there very fast.

This is nothing but faith and confirmation bias talking. You are in fact just wasting your time. You've got nothing to indicate otherwise.

(September 11, 2016 at 1:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: You act exactly like the slow moving people.
You keep on waiting and waiting until evidence fall from the sky like the manna.
In this way you take longer and longer to get at the goal of life but again that is only your problem.
Good lack anyway.  

Look before you leap is still sound advice. When you started following Sarkar you had no idea if he was for real or not. You leapt before you looked. And now here you are 40 years later, still suckered by the words of a con man. You've got no evidence for your claims about meditation, karma, and reincarnation. You say you believe them because they make sense. Well Rapunzel's hair growing while she waited in the tower makes sense. Sleeping beauty having to await a handsome prince makes sense. Things make sense in fairy tales because they're completely made up. There are no details of reality getting in the way of the story because it's all made up. Sarkar and Yoga are all made up as well. No your 'experiences' don't count for squat. You've convinced yourself over 40 years that you're following the right path. That's just what people do, whether or not they are on the right path. The 40 year Christian is just as convinced. The 40 year Buddhist is just as convinced. All you've got is your fairy tale about karma and reincarnation and a heap of confirmation bias. It's worth nothing.

You're nothing but a big sucker following a fairy tale. It's pointless trying to reason with you because you're trapped in the delusion that your 'feelings' from meditation are significant. Everybody that devotes themselves to such a practice is going to view their results positively. They wouldn't continue otherwise. All your experiences are evidence for is that you've conned yourself into believing them. You believe your own con, and you'll follow it regardless of the evidence. That's bad because you are blind to whether or not you are wasting your time doing so. You're just masturbating to a fantasy that you've constructed in your mind. That's ALL that you are doing. You aren't 'progressing' upon the karmic path. There is no karmic path. You won't be rewarded in the next life. There is no next life. All these things are part of a fairy tale that you've bought into. They are wastes of time.

Quote:There is a Rolfer in my hometown who advertises that Rolfing brings "a sense of integration and well being." The ad even quotes an M.D. who says: "Rolfing works. Not only can it dramatically change people's bodies. It can transform their lives as well." Rolfing, according to the advertisement, has "evolved into a gentle deep muscle balancing process that structurally aligns your body." (The word 'gentle' is boldfaced in the ad.) He also claims that after ten sessions there are long-term results, which include "Physical and Emotional Flexibility" and "A Sense of Integration and Well Being."

http://skepdic.com/rolfing.html

Rolfing, Buddhist meditation, Christian worship, Hindu ritual -- it's all the same. Everybody feels themselves to be on the right path. You aren't special because your meditation makes you feel special. You're just a twat who doesn't realize how insignificant his personal feelings are in the matter. That's why we rely on evidence, because feelings are a fool's guide. And you don't have squat for evidence of the effectiveness of Yoga, of reincarnation, of karma, of Sarkar's authenticity. But you disregard these simple truths because you're overwhelmed by your 'feelings'.

(September 11, 2016 at 1:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: Take the people who get rich.
They take risks.
They never wait for the evidence that they will succeed or not.
Of course there is an other way to get rich.
You can struggle life after life for 100 or 200 lives.
Sooner or later the prosperity will come.

I had to come back to this because it shows just how stupid your thinking really is. Rich people take risks. Yay. Does that mean that if you take risks you'll become rich? No. Far more people end up with nothing to show for the risks they've taken. Everybody takes risks. I'm risking my eternal future according to you by remaining a materialist. For me, it is a risk worth taking. Will I be rewarded for having taken this risk? Only in the sense that I won't waste my life following some god or other, or doing silly rituals every day in hopes of a better next life. But that's not the reward you're thinking of. You can only see reward in the benefits you believe you get from your lifestyle. The Christian is the same way. As is the Buddhist. And the Taoist. And the Hindu. And the Sikh. And on and on and on. Is everybody going to get rich because of the risks they are taking? The answer is obviously no. So 'take risks' is not only bad advice, it's nonsensical because EVERYBODY takes the type of risk you're talking about. The difference is that you're stupid enough to think that you're different or special in doing so. You're not. You're in the same position of ignorance about final outcomes as everybody else. Even worse, because you believe in an outcome for which you have no evidence. The house always wins when you make stupid bets like that. So tell me how you are different. Show me the evidence for karma or for reincarnation?

Is anyone else reminded of this?

https://youtu.be/WTtHaGjwu0I

I think religious people are one the most brave and badass people on planet. Top ones have the balls to accept "pleasure starvation", humiliation and one of the hardest things - become a bit more caring in their daily life.

Its so unnatural and discomforting for nowadays consumer civilization, that even believers who try to accept religion, instead of doing the one and only miracle in the world of becoming a more compassionate person, they change their focus on invading peoples minds and causing them a bit of pain.

It would be better, Little Rick, if you would practice the yoga your trying to sell to others.

(September 11, 2016 at 1:42 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(September 10, 2016 at 3:02 pm)ScienceAf Wrote: I already said stupidity is not hereditary.
And if I die that's that. I prefer to live but when I'm dead does it really affect anyone?

If a tiny ant would step in the wrong place she could cause an avalanche
and many people could get killed.
I never really discount anything as non important.
You never know boy.

I'm not talking about the butterfly effect I'm talking about if other people would care or not but that's a good point.

Never concede a good point to this idiot. There isn't one this side of sanity.