(September 11, 2016 at 4:21 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Never concede a good point to this idiot. There isn't one this side of sanity.

Good point.
XD

(September 11, 2016 at 8:05 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Rolfing, Buddhist meditation, Christian worship, Hindu ritual -- it's all the same.  Everybody feels themselves to be on the right path.  You aren't special because your meditation makes you feel special.  You're just a twat who doesn't realize how insignificant his personal feelings are in the matter.  That's why we rely on evidence, because feelings are a fool's guide.  And you don't have squat for evidence of the effectiveness of Yoga, of reincarnation, of karma, of Sarkar's authenticity.  But you disregard these simple truths because you're overwhelmed by your 'feelings'.

And who's path is the right one for everyone? Which branch on a tree is the correct branch?

Feelings are the only thing you have to explore your interior, and everyone is at different stages of growth.
"The Path" evolves as you do....or don't. Mine has evolved beyond the need for any scriptural or cultural support. I have proved/found what I needed to for myself, by myself and I am satisfied. Good for me and BFD right?

I sought out what was necessary for me and me alone by feeling alone because no scientific instrument can peer inside my mind. You either feel it out for yourself or you believe what others tell you...or don't believe anything at all. But those who default to only objective data will remain on the surface of themselves. If you don't explore your own mystery, who can?

(September 11, 2016 at 7:19 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(September 11, 2016 at 1:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: NDEs tell us so but I don't really need that to get the confirm.

NDEs tell us squat about karma and reincarnation.  Veridical NDEs suggest that we can have out of body experiences.  That's all they suggest.  The rest is reading into the evidence what you want to see, so no you don't have any evidence for karma or reincarnation.   Do you have any actual evidence for karma and / or reincarnation?

Wrong again yog.  
You didn't bother to read the hundred of NDEs experiences.
Most of them talk about reincarnation and the fact that people have to sort out their own problems BEFORE they can gain access to the sublime state.
By sorting out their own problems the karma is involved and reincarnation is a must.

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Archives/...counts.htm

(September 11, 2016 at 1:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: By practicing yoga everything come clear within.

Quote:Got any evidence to go with this claim?

Practicing is the only way to get the evidence.
I got the evidence you don't.
How can you if you don't practice?
Can you pass the evidence to me that by making love love is real and beautiful?
Wouldn't you tell me....you try yourself if you want the evidence.
This is how the system works yog.  
You never thought about it yog, did you?    

(September 11, 2016 at 1:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: There is something yog that you will never be good with as far as you keep your stubborn mind in front of what make sense.

Take the people who get rich.
They take risks.
They never wait for the evidence that they will succeed or not.
Of course there is an other way to get rich.
You can struggle life after life for 100 or 200 lives.
Sooner or later the prosperity will come.
Yoga is the short way around.

Quote:Got any evidence to go with this bald assertion?  Everybody 'thinks' they are on the right path.  You, me, my neighbor down the street.  You're just stupid enough to believe that you thinking you are on the right path is significant for you.  You're too dim to realize that because 'everybody' believes themselves to be on the right path, believing yourself to be on the right path means nothing.  Your belief in your path is a dime a dozen.

Is true that..........Everybody 'thinks' they are on the right path.......no question about it yog.
Most of the time is next to impossible to see whether someone is right or not.
Is quite difficult to see inside someone consciousness.
That doesn't mean that someone can not be right just because you can not see within them.

(September 11, 2016 at 1:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: You take the risk that you may waste your time and get nowhere but if you succeed you avoid
the continuous reincarnations and get there very fast.

Quote:This is nothing but faith and confirmation bias talking.  You are in fact just wasting your time. You've got nothing to indicate otherwise.

If you like to go slow and wait for the winning lottery ticket that is okay with me.  

(September 11, 2016 at 1:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: You act exactly like the slow moving people.
You keep on waiting and waiting until evidence fall from the sky like the manna.
In this way you take longer and longer to get at the goal of life but again that is only your problem.
Good lack anyway.  

Quote:Look before you leap is still sound advice.  When you started following Sarkar you had no idea if he was for real or not.  You leapt before you looked.  And now here you are 40 years later, still suckered by the words of a con man.  You've got no evidence for your claims about meditation, karma, and reincarnation.  You say you believe them because they make sense.  Well Rapunzel's hair growing while she waited in the tower makes sense.  Sleeping beauty having to await a handsome prince makes sense.  Things make sense in fairy tales because they're completely made up.  There are no details of reality getting in the way of the story because it's all made up.  Sarkar and Yoga are all made up as well.  No your 'experiences' don't count for squat.  You've convinced yourself over 40 years that you're following the right path.  That's just what people do, whether or not they are on the right path.  The 40 year Christian is just as convinced.  The 40 year Buddhist is just as convinced.  All you've got is your fairy tale about karma and reincarnation and a heap of confirmation bias.  It's worth nothing.  

You're nothing but a big sucker following a fairy tale.  It's pointless trying to reason with you because you're trapped in the delusion that your 'feelings' from meditation are significant.  Everybody that devotes themselves to such a practice is going to view their results positively.  They wouldn't continue otherwise.  All your experiences are evidence for is that you've conned yourself into believing them.  You believe your own con, and you'll follow it regardless of the evidence.  That's bad because you are blind to whether or not you are wasting your time doing so.  You're just masturbating to a fantasy that you've constructed in your mind.  That's ALL that you are doing.  You aren't 'progressing' upon the karmic path.  There is no karmic path.  You won't be rewarded in the next life.  There is no next life.  All these things are part of a fairy tale that you've bought into.  They are wastes of time.

I certainly have the evidence that Sarkar was right.
The progress within is the clear evidence.  

(September 11, 2016 at 8:05 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

Quote:There is a Rolfer in my hometown who advertises that Rolfing brings "a sense of integration and well being." The ad even quotes an M.D. who says: "Rolfing works. Not only can it dramatically change people's bodies. It can transform their lives as well." Rolfing, according to the advertisement, has "evolved into a gentle deep muscle balancing process that structurally aligns your body." (The word 'gentle' is boldfaced in the ad.) He also claims that after ten sessions there are long-term results, which include "Physical and Emotional Flexibility" and "A Sense of Integration and Well Being."

http://skepdic.com/rolfing.html

Rolfing, Buddhist meditation, Christian worship, Hindu ritual -- it's all the same.  Everybody feels themselves to be on the right path.  You aren't special because your meditation makes you feel special.  You're just a twat who doesn't realize how insignificant his personal feelings are in the matter.  That's why we rely on evidence, because feelings are a fool's guide.  And you don't have squat for evidence of the effectiveness of Yoga, of reincarnation, of karma, of Sarkar's authenticity.  But you disregard these simple truths because you're overwhelmed by your 'feelings'.

Didn't anybody told you that evidence in love business only come by personal experience?
Can't get it yog, do you?         

(September 11, 2016 at 4:28 pm)ScienceAf Wrote:

(September 11, 2016 at 4:21 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Never concede a good point to this idiot. There isn't one this side of sanity.

Good point.
XD

Never concede a good point to that idiot.  
These folks go around the forum telling that the consciousness is a product of the brain
or backing up those who say so and come up with other fantasies as well.  

(September 11, 2016 at 8:23 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(September 11, 2016 at 1:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: Take the people who get rich.
They take risks.
They never wait for the evidence that they will succeed or not.
Of course there is an other way to get rich.
You can struggle life after life for 100 or 200 lives.
Sooner or later the prosperity will come.

I had to come back to this because it shows just how stupid your thinking really is.  Rich people take risks.  Yay.  Does that mean that if you take risks you'll become rich?  No.  Far more people end up with nothing to show for the risks they've taken.  Everybody takes risks.  I'm risking my eternal future according to you by remaining a materialist.  For me, it is a risk worth taking.  Will I be rewarded for having taken this risk?  Only in the sense that I won't waste my life following some god or other, or doing silly rituals every day in hopes of a better next life.  But that's not the reward you're thinking of.  You can only see reward in the benefits you believe you get from your lifestyle.  The Christian is the same way.  As is the Buddhist.  And the Taoist.  And the Hindu.  And the Sikh.  And on and on and on.  Is everybody going to get rich because of the risks they are taking?  The answer is obviously no.  So 'take risks' is not only bad advice, it's nonsensical because EVERYBODY takes the type of risk you're talking about.  The difference is that you're stupid enough to think that you're different or special in doing so.  You're not.  You're in the same position of ignorance about final outcomes as everybody else.  Even worse, because you believe in an outcome for which you have no evidence.  The house always wins when you make stupid bets like that.  So tell me how you are different.  Show me the evidence for karma or for reincarnation?

By not taking any risk it will take ages and ages to get where you wish to get.
As far as the system of yoga that I follow works very well I have no regret of whatsoever.
Karma and reincarnation exist not just because they make sense and answer all the questions
but also because the NDEs experiences confirm that.
If you also take the great figures of the past like Shiva, krishna, Buddha, Jesus that also said that then everything adds up.  

Mathew 11:29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me; for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoga
Etymology

In Vedic Sanskrit, yoga (from the root yuj) means "to add", "to join", "to unite", or "to attach" in its most common literal sense....According to Dasgupta, the term yoga can be derived from either of two roots, yujir yoga (to yoke) or yuj samādhau (to concentrate).[23]

A yoga of light (consciousness) for the mind/soul.

(September 12, 2016 at 5:08 am)Arkilogue Wrote: Mathew 11:29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me; for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoga
Etymology

In Vedic Sanskrit, yoga (from the root yuj) means "to add", "to join", "to unite", or "to attach" in its most common literal sense....According to Dasgupta, the term yoga can be derived from either of two roots, yujir yoga (to yoke) or yuj samādhau (to concentrate).[23]

A yoga of light (consciousness) for the mind/soul.

A bit unusual to find someone in this forum that does not criticize yoga.
Welcome aboard Ark.  

(September 10, 2016 at 9:43 am)Little Rik Wrote: A bit unusual to find someone in this forum that does not criticize yoga.
Welcome aboard Ark.  

I recognize what it's meant to be.

(September 12, 2016 at 5:31 am)Arkilogue Wrote:

(September 10, 2016 at 9:43 am)Little Rik Wrote: A bit unusual to find someone in this forum that does not criticize yoga.
Welcome aboard Ark.  

I recognize what it's meant to be.

May I ask you what you follow or what you don't follow?