(September 13, 2016 at 5:11 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(September 13, 2016 at 4:46 pm)Lek Wrote: NC is being boycotted for standing up for its citizens' rights?  Hang in there NC.

Well, some of their citizens' rights.  Business as usual, NC.

Standing up for all citizens' rights is what I'm for. Those who demand that someone must be allowed to use the restroom for the sex of which they are physically opposite, are not considering the rights of many women, men and mothers of young children. The issue is one-dimensional to them. What's wrong with gender neutral bathrooms? And yes, sex is and always has been about what sex organs one has. I'm left-handed and have always had to accommodate myself to a right-handed world. I've never tried to force Target to sell notebook binders with rings on the right side of the binder. I just lay my arm on the rings and deal with a little discomfort. That's life. It's not like I want to make a transgender who believes they are male us a male restroom at the risk of harassment or bodily harm. I want to provide them with a comfortable and safe place to meet their needs. There are others in the world who have their concerns to be met also. Jesus loves everybody, not just transgenders, as do I.

(September 14, 2016 at 3:53 pm)Lek Wrote: What's wrong with gender neutral bathrooms?

Not a goddamned thing, but that's not what NC has done, nor is it what a great many people pushing this utter bullshit want. Don't be a disingenuous twat, Lek.

(September 14, 2016 at 3:53 pm)Lek Wrote: And yes, sex is and always has been about what sex organs one has.

And yet, gender is not, and I know this is not the first time it's been pointed out to you.

(September 14, 2016 at 4:02 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Not a goddamned thing, but that's not what NC has done, nor is it what a great many people pushing this utter bullshit want.  Don't be a disingenuous twat, Lek.

I was accused of being callous and unlike Jesus, and I wanted to clarity what my position is.  The general debate about the situation which NC is addressing, in the end, comes down to what I'm discussing.  That's what it's all really about.  Why don't you act like a grown-up and stop calling me names? Not that it hurts my feelings, but I just wanted to point it out to the readers.

Quote:And yet, gender is not, and I know this is not the first time it's been pointed out to you.

Restrooms have always been and still are about what sex you are.

For most of human history people squatted and shit in the dirt.

History is not your strong suit, either.

(September 14, 2016 at 3:53 pm)Lek Wrote: Standing up for all citizens' rights is what I'm for.

Except for mine, of course. Please take your cross and shove it right up your ass. If you think it's up there far enough, push a few more times just to make sure.

(September 14, 2016 at 7:21 pm)Jesster Wrote:

(September 14, 2016 at 3:53 pm)Lek Wrote: Standing up for all citizens' rights is what I'm for.

Except for mine, of course. Please take your cross and shove it right up your ass. If you think it's up there far enough, push a few more times just to make sure.

What Lek actually means is: all the people HE considers to be "real" citizens.  

(September 14, 2016 at 9:09 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(September 14, 2016 at 7:21 pm)Jesster Wrote: Except for mine, of course. Please take your cross and shove it right up your ass. If you think it's up there far enough, push a few more times just to make sure.

What Lek actually means is: all the people HE considers to be "real" citizens.  

When you have nothing concrete to say this is the kind of stuff you turn to. No. I mean ALL citizens.

(September 15, 2016 at 12:41 pm)Lek Wrote:

(September 14, 2016 at 9:09 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: What Lek actually means is: all the people HE considers to be "real" citizens.  

When you have nothing concrete to say this is the kind of stuff you turn to. No. I mean ALL citizens.

Like saying, 'I'm not prejudiced against black people, I just don't want to have to live by any of them." Yeah?

I have nothing but snark for you because you, nor anyone else has a leg to stand on from your position. Arguing from fear and misinformation is not an actual argument.

(September 14, 2016 at 3:53 pm)Lek Wrote:

(September 13, 2016 at 5:11 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Well, some of their citizens' rights.  Business as usual, NC.

Standing up for all citizens' rights is what I'm for. Those who demand that someone must be allowed to use the restroom for the sex of which they are physically opposite, are not considering the rights of many women, men and mothers of young children. The issue is one-dimensional to them. What's wrong with gender neutral bathrooms? And yes, sex is and always has been about what sex organs one has. I'm left-handed and have always had to accommodate myself to a right-handed world. I've never tried to force Target to sell notebook binders with rings on the right side of the binder. I just lay my arm on the rings and deal with a little discomfort. That's life. It's not like I want to make a transgender who believes they are male us a male restroom at the risk of harassment or bodily harm. I want to provide them with a comfortable and safe place to meet their needs. There are others in the world who have their concerns to be met also. Jesus loves everybody, not just transgenders, as do I.

Forcing transgendered people to use a "gender neutral bathroom" is basically forcing them to use a bathroom labeled "transgendered people," which puts a TARGET on their back, and sends forth the message, "you're not a man OR a woman, you're a weird thing that we don't know what else to do with, so go here."

And people partaking in this discussion who refuse to distinguish between genitalia and gender are simply WRONG. You need to remove yourself from the debate and get educated before trying to come back in and speak on the behalf of the transgendered.