(October 1, 2016 at 7:08 am)Jesster Wrote:

(October 1, 2016 at 7:03 am)Little Rik Wrote: Look Jes, we all know how intelligent you are.  

I just wonder why you don't help our dear friend yog to answer the question about the universe.

We all know you can.  
Please help our friend.  

I think this is time for a very creative and original "NO U!"



So from now on, please avoid formatting hell. It's looks almost as bad as the content of your posts.

Oh, I see.
You like throw mud on me in order to satisfy your ego but when you are asked to show how prepared you are on the topic you back off showing that you know nothing.

Well done Jes.
Now is all clear who you are.  

(October 1, 2016 at 7:20 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(October 1, 2016 at 7:08 am)Jesster Wrote: I think this is time for a very creative and original "NO U!"



So from now on, please avoid formatting hell. It's looks almost as bad as the content of your posts.

Oh, I see.
You like throw mud on me in order to satisfy your ego but when you are asked to show how prepared you are on the topic you back off showing that you know nothing.

Well done Jes.
Now is all clear who you are.  

Nope. Just helping you with your terrible formatting issues. If you can't stand that level of criticism, you wouldn't like my other posts. Grow some thicker skin.

(October 1, 2016 at 7:11 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

Quote:Very very silly thought yog.
Energy and matter are only two of the fundamental factors that make up the universe.
What about the others like water, space and air.

Wait, whut?  Do you not understand the meaning of the term 'fundamental'?  Can you please provide an explanation of how water, space and air  exist without energy and matter?
Boru

Actually is the other way around.
It is the matter that can not exist without space, air, energy and water but that is not even the point Bor.

The point is that once the elements turn into something else then they are not the same anymore although
they have the same components.

By using milk you can make cheese.  
The two are made of the same components but once the milk turn into cheese there is a big difference.
Matter is the very last of the five fundamental factors.
It has all the quality of the others 4 and at the same time is not the other anymore.  

But you grasp that air and water are made of matter, and that matter and energy are equivalent, correct?

Boru

(October 1, 2016 at 7:55 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: But you grasp that air and water are made of matter, and that matter and energy are equivalent, correct?

Boru

Not at all Bor.

It is the lower factor that has got all the components of the other not the other way around.
The space is not matter and so the air, light-energy and water.
They will turn into matter as the devolution stage takes place but until that takes place they are not as yet.

Remember that so far there is no single universally agreed scientific meaning of the word "matter".

According to yoga the 5 fundamental factors are different one an other due to the different stages of consciousness.

Beside the factors are not just 5 (space, air, light-energy, water and matter) but include mind and consciousness.

The consciousness start the devolution cycle by turning pure consciousness into the 5 elements or factors.
Once the cycle reach the very last stage of devolution by turning into matter the evolution stage begin
with lower forms of life until human being go back to where originally came from (pure consciousness God).  

(October 1, 2016 at 8:27 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(October 1, 2016 at 7:55 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: But you grasp that air and water are made of matter, and that matter and energy are equivalent, correct?

Boru

Not at all Bor.

It is the lower factor that has got all the components of the other not the other way around.
The space is not matter and so the air, light-energy and water.
They will turn into matter as the devolution stage takes place but until that takes place they are not as yet.

Remember that so far there is no single universally agreed scientific meaning of the word "matter".

According to yoga the 5 fundamental factors are different one an other due to the different stages of consciousness.

Beside the factors are not just 5 (space, air, light-energy, water and matter) but include mind and consciousness.

The consciousness start the devolution cycle by turning pure consciousness into the 5 elements or factors.
Once the cycle reach the very last stage of devolution by turning into matter the evolution stage begin
with lower forms of life until human being go back to where originally came from (pure consciousness God).  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu7vySQbgXI

(October 1, 2016 at 8:27 am)Little Rik Wrote: Remember that so far there is no single universally agreed scientific meaning of the word "matter".

This is true, to an extent.
However, it IS universally agreed that water and air are matter.

Water is 2 parts hydrogen to 1 part oxygen.
"Air" technically isn't a thing. It's what we basically call our atmosphere, which is... 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen, 1% argon, and then trace amounts of carbon dioxide, neon, helium, methane, krypton, hydrogen, nitrous oxide, xenon, ozone, iodine, carbon monoxide, and ammonia.
I hate to inform you but all those elements and compounds listed, are matter.

(October 1, 2016 at 8:27 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(October 1, 2016 at 7:55 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: But you grasp that air and water are made of matter, and that matter and energy are equivalent, correct?

Boru

Not at all Bor.

It is the lower factor that has got all the components of the other not the other way around.
The space is not matter and so the air, light-energy and water.
They will turn into matter as the devolution stage takes place but until that takes place they are not as yet.

Remember that so far there is no single universally agreed scientific meaning of the word "matter".

According to yoga the 5 fundamental factors are different one an other due to the different stages of consciousness.

Beside the factors are not just 5 (space, air, light-energy, water and matter) but include mind and consciousness.

The consciousness start the devolution cycle by turning pure consciousness into the 5 elements or factors.
Once the cycle reach the very last stage of devolution by turning into matter the evolution stage begin
with lower forms of life until human being go back to where originally came from (pure consciousness God).  

Boru

(October 1, 2016 at 8:50 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(October 1, 2016 at 8:27 am)Little Rik Wrote: Not at all Bor.

It is the lower factor that has got all the components of the other not the other way around.
The space is not matter and so the air, light-energy and water.
They will turn into matter as the devolution stage takes place but until that takes place they are not as yet.

Remember that so far there is no single universally agreed scientific meaning of the word "matter".

According to yoga the 5 fundamental factors are different one an other due to the different stages of consciousness.

Beside the factors are not just 5 (space, air, light-energy, water and matter) but include mind and consciousness.

The consciousness start the devolution cycle by turning pure consciousness into the 5 elements or factors.
Once the cycle reach the very last stage of devolution by turning into matter the evolution stage begin
with lower forms of life until human being go back to where originally came from (pure consciousness God).  

Boru

Unfortunately is the other way around Bor.  

It is the physical science that is unable to grasp how all the system works.
That is due to the fact that between the physical science and the real science there is a border line that physical science has yet to cross.

Matter is the very last stage of Devolution.
Once physical science will be able to understand where it all start from then it will all be clear how the whole system works.  

(October 1, 2016 at 8:41 am)LostLocke Wrote:

(October 1, 2016 at 8:27 am)Little Rik Wrote: Remember that so far there is no single universally agreed scientific meaning of the word "matter".

This is true, to an extent.
However, it IS universally agreed that water and air are matter.

Water is 2 parts hydrogen to 1 part oxygen.
"Air" technically isn't a thing. It's what we basically call our atmosphere, which is... 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen, 1% argon, and then trace amounts of carbon dioxide, neon, helium, methane, krypton, hydrogen, nitrous oxide, xenon, ozone, iodine, carbon monoxide, and ammonia.
I hate to inform you but all those elements and compounds listed, are matter.

Sure, sure.  

But in this way we can also say that the milk, water, air and whatever else you may like to include is cheese.
Isn't that a stupid way to put it?